Christian women, Complementarianism

From the Archives: Women’s Roles In the Church

I’m still out spending time with my family for a few days.
I hope you’ll enjoy this selection from the archives.

It’s been a while since I finished my Rock Your Role series which examines the main Scriptures often debated in the battle for the biblical role of women in the church. I’m starting to get questions on these topics again, which is great! This is an issue all Christian women need to have a biblical understanding of. So I thought I’d post the links to the articles that answer the questions I’m most commonly asked.

Jill in the Pulpit

“Why can’t women be pastors, teach men, or hold authority over men in the church?”


Are Female Bloggers Violating Scripture by “Teaching” Men?

โ€œYou say that women shouldnโ€™t teach men, but what about men who read your blog? Arenโ€™t you teaching them?โ€

Oh No She Di-int! Priscilla Didn’t Preach, Deborah Didn’t Dominate, and Esther Wasn’t an Egalitarian

“Of course women can preach, because…Esther! Because…Phoebe! Because…the women at Jesus’ tomb!”

Rock Your Role FAQs

Can women share the gospel with men? Teach at Christian schools? Speak at co-ed conferences? Answer questions in a co-ed Sunday School class? And more!

There are other articles in the Rock Your Role series which you may also enjoy. Just click and start scrolling.

Mailbag

The Mailbag: Is it OK for Christian men to read Christian women’s blogs?

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As a man, am I not to read or seek to understand anything from your blog because a woman wrote it? (1 Timothy 2:12)

While other female bloggers might answer differently, as far as my personal position goes, the short answer to your question is no. Generally speaking, it’s not biblically problematic for a Christian man to read my blog because the blogosphere is not the gathering of the church body, andย I’m not in any position of spiritual or practical authority over male readers (or even female readersย for that matter). Additionally,ย when I write, I’m writing to instruct and edify women, not men. Male readers are sort of “eavesdropping” or “listening at the door.”

But I would encourage male readers to examine their motives for reading my blog. I have a number of godly male readers, including several pastors, who read my blog for a variety of reasons: theyโ€™re interested in a female perspective on various church and biblical issues, they want to use my perspective to better understand and help their wives or female church members, their wives or female church members read my blog and theyโ€™re keeping tabs on me to make sure those ladies are taught properly, they donโ€™t have time to vet a certain Christian teacher, so they use my information on false and sound teachers as a resource, and there are those who are friends, whom Iโ€™ve asked to keep up with my blog so they can offer me correction as needed.

My thought is that any of those (or similar) reasons are fine and donโ€™t even fall under the spirit of 1 Timothy 2:12, much less the letter. What I do feel would fall under the spirit of that passage would be a man seeking biblical instruction from me for his own personal walk with the Lord. For example- I run a Bible study for women every Wednesday on the blog, and the archives of my previous studies are under the โ€œBible Studiesโ€ tab at the top of this page. On my part, Iโ€™d feel scripturally uncomfortable if a man were using that as the basis for his quiet time rather than using something written by a man, or just studying his Bible. (By the way, if youโ€™re looking for some godly male preachers and teachers, check the โ€œRecommended Bible Teachersโ€ tab at the top of this page.)

I guess the questions I would ask myself if I were a male reader are: What are my reasons for reading this? Is my motivation to receive instruction in Scripture that should really be coming from a male teacher or straight from Godโ€™s word? Is my conscience clear, based on God’s word, to go ahead and read this? How can I best honor God and His word in this situation?

I’ve written more extensively on this topic (and related topics) in these articles:

Adam 3.0: Meanwhile, Back in the Garden, Itโ€™s Deja Vu All Overย Again

Are Female Bloggers Violating Scripture by โ€œTeachingโ€ Men?

Rock Your Roleย FAQsย (#2)


If you have a question about:ย a well known Christian author/leader, a Bible passage, an aspect of theology, a current issue in Christianity, or how to biblically handle a family, life, or church situation, comment below (Iโ€™ll hold all questions in queue {unpublished} for a future edition of The Mailbag) or send me an e-mail or private message. If your question is chosen for publication, your anonymity will be protected.

Christian women, Complementarianism

Women Teaching Men: My Thoughts on Aimee’s and Mary’s Articles

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UPDATE: Please note, this article was written in 2016. It should not be construed to be a current endorsement of either Aimee or Mary.

My friends and readers are the best. They are so sweet and helpful when it comes to making sure I stay up to date on what’s happening out there in Evangelicaland. It’s like having a little army of really smart co-laborers who are great at research.

Last week, a couple of articles about women teaching men appeared on the Reformed complementarian women’s landscape, and several folks were kind enough to send them to me and ask for my reaction. I e-mailed the readers back with my responses, which I’ve posted below.

What is Sunday School? What Does it Appear to Be? And Who Can Teach It?
by Aimee Byrd
May 18, 2016

I have loved and respected Aimee’s work as a writer and podcaster for a while. This article was apparently written to clarify some things that had been said on a Mortification of Spin podcast.

“I didn’t catch the podcast, but I did read the article. I was disappointed with what Aimee said, because Steve’s comments [Steve Cooley’s comments in the comment section following the article] are correct. Also, if we look at the broad pattern of male headship in Scripture…

man was created first, then woman
woman was created to be helper to man
women are to submit to their husbands
women are not to serve in the office of elder or pastor
women are not to preach to men
women are not to exercise authority over/lead men in the church

…which fits better with this pattern, women teaching men in co-ed Sunday School or women notย teaching men in co-ed Sunday School? I think it’s pretty clear that women notย teaching men in co-ed Sunday School fits best. Why would God set this pattern of male headship in motion and then turn around and contradict it when it comes to women teaching men in Sunday School?

Furthermore, the gathering of a body of believers for studying the Bible isย the gathering of the church, whether it is in someone’s home (like the first century church), a sanctuary, or a Sunday School classroom. We’re the ones who have invented all these lines of delineation between Sunday School, worship service, Christian conferences, revival meetings, etc., and then tried to go back and figure out which of these man-made distinctions 1 Timothy 2:12 applies to. When 1 Timothy was written, they didn’t have all that. The church was just the gathering of the believers for worship, study, etc. So 1 Timothy 2:12 applies to the gathered body of believers without respect to all these artificial lines we’ve drawn.”

Again, I have great respect for Aimee, but I disagree with her on this particular issue. It’s possible that the differences in our denominational viewpoints of Sunday School play a big part in this, and that if we ever had the chance to sit down and hash it out over coffee or something, we might find more common ground.

Women Teaching Men- How Far is Too Far?
by Mary Kassian
May 21, 2016

I’m not as familiar with Mary as I am with Aimee, but I’ve read and enjoyed a few of her articles. This one may have been a response to Aimee’s article above.

“Good stuff! I agree with her about 90%. I love that she brought out the part about “teaching under a man’s authority.” I wrote about that not long ago. It’s nice to hear somebody with a bigger platform say it. I hope people will listen to her!

I also love what she says about what we love versus following a set of rules. So true! Another aspect of this that I run into frequently with women who want to preach is that they’re so focused on leading they forget about Jesus’ example of humility in servanthood. We’re supposed to be focused on serving, not gaining notoriety.

My main disagreement with her would be the line she (and most others who address this issue) draws between the worship service and things like Sunday School and Christian conferences. Those are really man made lines of distinction rather than biblical ones. The “church” is the gathered body of believers for worship and biblical instruction. So whenever believers are gathered for those purposes – whether weย call it Sunday School or worship service or a Christian conference, and whether it’s in a sanctuary, Sunday School classroom, or conference center – that’s the church, and the Scriptural mandate for women not to teach or hold authority over men applies.

I also think it’s interesting that in the second paragraph under “Can Women Teach Under Male Authority” she rightly points out, “The text doesn’t say, ‘A woman may teach men if…'”. But then later in the article she talks about how she feels it’s OK for her to teach men if they’re much younger than she is. Well, just like the text doesn’t say a woman can teach men if she’s doing so under male authority, it also doesn’t say it’s OK for a woman to teach men if she’s much older than they are. It just says “don’t”. Curious.”

Mary’s position on this issue is much more similar to mine. I hope to hear more from her about this in future articles.

Rock Your Role

Rock Your Role FAQs

Rock Your Role is my series examining the โ€œgo toโ€ and hot button Scriptures that relate to and help us understand our role as women in the church. The articles have garnered a lot of great questions from readers. I’ve been extremely encouraged to hear from so many women who love the Lord and want to obey Him. So, I thought it might be handy to have all of the questions and my answersยน, in one place.

(My Rock Your Role articles also help answer many of the questions below, so I would recommend reading them, if you haven’t already, in addition to the questions and answers that follow. My article Jill in the Pulpit is fundamental to understanding most of the FAQ answers below. I also highly recommend Scott Aniol’s article No, Women Can’t Preach as a good introduction to the material that follows.)


1. Is a man violating Scripture if he seeks out or voluntarily sits under the teaching or preaching of a female Bible teacher or “pastor”?

Yes. Read more about that here.


2. Is there ever a time when it’s OK for a man to be in the room while a woman is teaching the Bible to other women?

Yes. There are some biblically legitimate reasons for a man to be in the room while a woman is teaching the Bible to other women. For example, if my pastor, an elder, or even my husband wanted to sit in on a Bible study Iโ€™m teaching to make sure Iโ€™m handling Godโ€™s word correctly and not teaching false doctrine to the women of the church, I would welcome that, and it would be perfectly biblical (frankly, more pastors, elders, and husbands should do just that). Likewise, it would be fine for a husband or father to sit in temporarily and check me out for his wife or daughter. Other scenarios might include a male reporter covering me or the class (I canโ€™t imagine why anyone would, butโ€ฆ) or a male videographer recording the class.


3. What about Christian women bloggers, authors, and content creators? Aren’t they teaching men if men consume their content? Am I “teaching” men in violation of Scripture if I post biblical things on my social media page?

The short answer is no. Click here for the long answer.

Regarding posting on social media, a supplementary note: My short answer (above) of “no” and the principles in the linked article apply to 99+% of social media posts about biblical things for your general audience of friends and family.

The only things I would really caution against would be a) any post aimed specifically at men (or a particular man) exhorting them as to how they’ve failed and/or what they need to do to shape up, be a better Christian, husband, etc., you “preaching,” so to speak, directly at them, and, b) any prolonged advising, counseling, or discipling of a man in the comments section of a post. If a man needs such counsel, he should set up an appointment with his pastor or talk to a godly older man in his church. (If he’s unchurched, you can, of course, point him to a good church, a biblical counselor, your husband, or another godly man to talk to. If he’s unsaved, you can share the gospel with him – see #11.)


4. If I’m a member of a co-ed Bible study or Sunday School class led by a man, is it “teaching” the men in the class if I ask or answer a question, make a comment, or participate in the discussion?

No, assuming that this is a Q&A type of class in which discussion is encouraged (speaking out during a lecture-style class isn’t “teaching” either, its just disruptive and rude and would fall more under the 1 Corinthians 14 principle of being quiet so people can hear the pastor or teacher).

Asking and answering questions, making brief, appropriate comments, or participating in class discussion is not teaching any more than it would be if you were in a science or math class. The teacher is the one in the position of authority. He is supposed to be knowledgeable enough about what he’s teaching to guide the discussion and affirm insightful comments or correct misinformed comments. He is also in control of class logistics (for example, when to cut off discussion and return to teaching). In summary, the teacher is in charge, not you, and you are asking questions, commenting, and discussing under the umbrella of his authority and control.

If, however, a woman goes beyond simply asking or answering a question or commenting, essentially takes over the class, and begins lecturing everybody, that would be inappropriate.


5. What if I’m in a co-ed Bible study or Sunday School class taught by a man, and either the teacher or one of the male members of the class says something that’s in error, biblically? Should I speak out?

It really depends on the situation. Ideally, if a male member of the class makes an erroneous comment, the teacher should know the Bible well enough to correct him, or, at the very least, one of the other men in the class should do so. Likewise, if the teacher says something biblically off, the best case scenario would be for one of the men in the class to correct him (if you’re married, let your husband take the lead if he is with you and able to do so). If not, there are several factors to consider before jumping in with a corrective:

a) Are you sure you heard him correctly?

b) Is it possible he made a slip of the tongue and actually meant to say the right thing?

c) Does the majority of the class understand what he meant even if he accidentally chose the wrong word (for example, accidentally saying “Elisha” when the text is clearly about Elijah)?

d) Does this need to be corrected now so others won’t believe false doctrine, or is it something that you (or your husband) could talk to him about after class (think Aquila, Priscilla, and Apollos)?

If the male teacher or class member says something incorrectly that’s unimportant, its best to just let it go. But if he says something completely unbiblical (and its not a slip of the tongue or a misunderstanding), nobody else is speaking up, and it can’t wait for a private discussion after class because it might lead others astray, then, yes, a correcting comment made gently, with a humble spirit, and backed up by Scripture is absolutely appropriate. A great way to seek or offer clarification in a way that’s not undermining or usurping the teacher is to ask a question rather than make a statement.


6. Is it OK for women to teach at Christian middle schools, high schools, or colleges?

Of course. A school, even a Christian school, is not a church. The biblical prohibition is against women teaching men the Scriptures, and applies to the gathering of the church. However, I believe it is most in keeping with the spirit of Scripture for a man to teach (co-ed) Bible classes starting around the middle school level. And, since chapel is a worship service, it should be led by a biblically qualified man.


7. What about women preaching or teaching the Bible (to Christians) at a Bible study / small group in someone’s home, the workplace, a coffee shop, etc., at co-ed Christian conferences, campus ministries, youth ministries, or parachurch ministries? Is that OK since they’re not preaching and teaching “in the church”? 

Here, we need to remember what the definition of “church” is. The church is not a building, it is a body of born again believers gathered for the purpose of worship, prayer, the ordinances, and/or the study of God’s word. Those things can take place in a church building, a home (as with the first century churches in Acts), in a university campus or office building, outdoors, in a conference center, in a sports arena, or anywhere else. So, when a body of believers comes together for these purposes, regardless of the building in which they meet, or whether you call it “church” or not, they are the church, and the biblical parameters about women teaching and holding authority over men applies.

This includes leading or facilitating co-ed Bible study groups / small groups meeting in homes. They should be led by men, and if the regular male leader is occasionally unable to lead, another man should fill in for him. (More here, 3rd question)

This also includes women apologists (women in apologetics ministries) speaking at co-ed apologetics conferences. (More here, 2nd question)

There are occasions when it is technically permissible for a woman to address a co-ed audience at a Christian conference. For example, a woman who’s a computer expert teaching a breakout session on software that can be helpful to the church, or a woman experienced in children’s ministry teaching a session on security screening procedures, background checks, etc. The biblical prohibition is against women instructing men in the Scriptures and exercising authority over men, not sharing their expertise or disseminating information on non-biblical topics. So women should not be preaching or teaching Bible lessons to mixed audiences at conferences, but there are other types of conference teaching and leadership that are within biblical parameters.

All of that being said, women who teach and speak, especially in the public eye, should give strong consideration to whether or not to speak to audiences containing men, even if said women are not teaching the Bible at that particular event. There are so many high profile Christian celebrities who violate Scripture’s prohibition on women teaching men, and evangelicals are so biblically ignorant as to what and who Scripture does and doesn’t allow women to teach, that women speakers should consider how much more counter-culturally impactful it could be to the church, and to setting an example for women, to refuse to teach men in any sort of Christian environment.


8. I teach at a Christian high school. My pastor says our school is an extension of the church. Is it OK for me to give a brief devotion and prayer in home room as required by my job description?

Yes. Again, regardless of what church or denominational leaders say about a Christian school being an extension, ministry, or outreach of the church, the fact of the matter is that a Christian school is not the same entity as a church. They are two different entities with two different purposes, parameters, and audiences (I mean, your church doesn’t charge tuition, right? And your school teaches subjects other than the Bible, yes? They’re different.).

The biblical admonition pertains to the church- the body of believers gathered for worship. These students are not gathered for worship, they are gathered for school, and the majority of them are probably not even believers. Additionally, these students are not yet adults, and are under your authority as their teacher in the classroom (similar to parental authority), not as their spiritual leader in a Bible study type of situation.


9. If I’m listening to a female Bible teacher and my husband walks through the room, should I turn off the program so he isn’t “taught” by the woman I’m listening to?

No, that’s not necessary. A man who overhears a female Bible teacher youโ€™re listening to as heโ€™s walking through the room is no more being โ€œtaughtโ€ than someone who gets a pie in the face is โ€œeating.โ€ He’s likely not even paying attention to it.


10. If I’m teaching a women’s Bible study and a man comes in wanting to join the class, should I stop teaching and ask him to leave? Should I put a sign on the door that says “women only”?

If you feel that a sign on the door would be helpful, then, by all means, post a sign. Usually if you advertise (on fliers, in announcements, etc.) the class as a “women’s Bible study” ahead of time, men get the picture and don’t show up.

If a man comes to your women’s Bible study and he isn’t there for another legitimate reason (such as the ones I mentioned earlier) but has come to the class seeking to be taught the Bible for himself, it would absolutely be appropriate for a female teacher to gently say something when he comes in like, โ€œIโ€™m sorry, but this is a womenโ€™s only class. Maybe you were looking for Joe Blowโ€™s class down the hall?โ€ Be kind. These days a lot of men don’t even know it’s unbiblical for a woman to teach men.


11. What about evangelism? Can women share the gospel with men at work, among friends and family, at the store, through an outreach ministry?

Women not only can share the gospel at every opportunity, the Great Commission mandates it for every Christian. However, it is important for godly women to use caution and wisdom when interacting with men in any situation, especially one that can turn out to be very personal and emotionally intimate, as with witnessing.

My counsel would be that you’re generally OK if you’re in a public place and it’s a one time encounter (for example, witnessing to a stranger at the store). However, if we’re talking about multiple encounters – for example, a male friend or co-worker who wants to continue meeting with you over time to talk about the gospel – it might be best to meet with him a couple of times (in a public area) and then “hand him off” to your husband, pastor, elder, brother, friend, etc., for further discussion.

There are several reasons for this.

It protects your reputation. If people see you meeting with a man on an ongoing basis (especially if one or both of you are married) they can jump to the wrong conclusion, and your reputation, and Christ’s, can be sullied.

It protects your virtue. Unfortunately, some men, who have no interest in the gospel, might see your eagerness to meet with them as an opportunity to take advantage of you.

It protects both of you from temptation. A personal relationship with Christ is exactly that- personal. Discussing sin, conviction, and other matters related to salvation can lead to emotional intimacy, which can then lead to physical intimacy. You don’t want what started as a witnessing encounter to end up as sin.

When it comes to outreach ministries (for example, a meal for the homeless, followed by a group gospel presentation or Bible lesson), it’s best for a man to lead co-ed (or male only) adult groups in anything that could be construed as preaching or teaching the Bible. Not because this is in the church setting and the situation falls directly under the parameters of 1 Timothy 2:12, but because…

…there are a lot of highly visible female preachers (Joyce Meyer, Paula White, Gloria Copeland, Christine Caine, etc.) out there, all of whom are in disobedience to 1 Timothy 2:12 and teach false doctrine (usually Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation).

The Bible says we’re to avoid even the appearance of evil, and you don’t want to appear to be one of those women if it’s avoidable. Having a man lead the teaching helps distance you and your church from those types of sinful women and their bad theology, and sets a godly example for the people you’re ministering to.

…the Great Commission is clear that we’re not just to make converts, we’re to make disciples. That means the ultimate goal of evangelism is to get the newly saved person plugged in to a local, biblical church. Why confuse a new Christian by having women lead out “in the field” when it’s not going to be that way in the church?

…there are very few examples in the world of what it really means to be a man. Men are constantly emasculated on TV and in society and receive all kinds of conflicting messages regarding what real manhood is. What an impact on lost men (and women) to see an example of a godly, masculine man who leads well, fulfills his duties and responsibilities, and is totally sold out to Christ. If you have someone like that, why wouldn’t you want him to lead?

Basic Training: The Great Commission

The Mailbag: Is it biblical for women to carry out The Great Commission?

Street Preaching: A Call to Arms (see links in 2nd paragraph)

Women Preaching the Gospel? at A Word Fitly Spoken (“Preaching the gospel,” in other words, “evangelism,” should not be conflated with preaching to/teaching men in the church.)


12. What about teaching my sons the Bible? Should I stop when they are teenagers? If my husband isn’t saved, should I be the primary Bible teacher for my children?

This is a little bit of a different question because now weโ€™re talking about the home instead of the church. Weโ€™re also talking about minor children who are under your authority as a parent rather than men or youth in your church who are not under your authority. Additionally, there is no Scripture which clearly addresses a specific age at which a mother should stop formally teaching her sons the Bible.

Ideally, Dad should regularly lead the whole family in Bible study, because the Bible says he is to be the spiritual leader of the home. But if your husband is OK with you also teaching your sons the Bible at another time of day in a way that complements what heโ€™s doing in family worship time, thereโ€™s no biblical problem with that.

My husband leads our family worship, but I also teach my teenage sons a chapter of the Bible every morning before we start school. My husband is fine with that because it goes hand in hand with what heโ€™s doing as our spiritual leader.

My counsel would be to talk it over with your husband and decide together what would be right for your family according to the limited biblical principles we have that address this issue. My thought is that as long as long as these children are in your home under your parental authority, and your husband is OK with it, itโ€™s fine to formally teach them the Bible.

If your husband isn’t saved, yes, you should definitely be teaching your children the Bible. (If your husband is averse to this in any way, I would recommend setting up an appointment with your pastor for some counsel on navigating this situation.) Remember, this is the same situation Lois and Eunice were in, and they trained Timothy up in the faith.


13. What about teaching the boys in my church’s youth group?

Women should not serve as youth pastors. The Bible restricts pastoral and elder roles to men.

As to teaching the Bible to co-ed groups of minors (in Sunday School, as a youth helper, etc.), there is no hard and fast rule, but my recommendation is that a good time for women to break from teaching boys at church is around the time they start middle school. In the Bible, boys traditionally moved from childhood to adulthood at age thirteen. Jesus exhibited growth toward manhood and engaged the rabbis in the temple at age twelve. Of course, these are both anecdotal and neither means this age is the basis of any sort of law for Christian women about teaching boys, but there seems to be some wisdom there- a good rule of thumb. Once they hit their early teens, boys really need the guidance of godly men who can lead by example and teach them what it means to grow into godly manhood. When it comes to teaching adolescent boys at church, it’s much less about what women are “allowed” to do and much more about the best way to grow godly men. Only men can train boys to be men.

Additionally, though we adults may still see teenage boys as children, that is not how they think of themselves. When a woman teaches or holds authority over them in the church, they don’t think, “Oh, this is OK because I’m still a child,” they think “Oh, if she’s teaching me, it must be OK for women to teach men.” When women teach teenage boys, they’re unwittingly teaching by example that women teaching men is acceptable.

Certainly, at a minimum, women should stop teaching boys when they are viewed as adults by their immediate culture. In the United States, that would be age 18. If our secular legal system and culture considers 18 year olds to be adults for all adult purposes (and certainly, 18 year olds themselves consider themselves to be adults), how foolish would the church look and be to consider them children so that it’s “OK” for women to teach them?


14. Is it OK for women to make announcements, or give mission reports or personal testimonies during the worship service?

I donโ€™t see why these would be a problem biblically, as long as she doesnโ€™t veer off into preaching, exhorting, or instructing the congregation… (A few more details in question #2 of this article.)

Iโ€™ve personally witnessed a few women who have veered off into preaching in these situations. I once watched a televised worship service that took place the Sunday after this particular churchโ€™s Vacation Bible School. The VBS director (a woman) got up on the platform to report on how the week had gone, what the kids had learned, etc., all of which was fine and good. However, she then veered off into exhorting the congregation with Scripture as to how they should be raising their children, making sure their children were in church, and so forth โ€“ essentially, preaching.

Although thereโ€™s nothing wrong with a woman making a quick announcement, testimony, or report in church during the time reserved for that (more on that here), rabbit trailing off into preaching is not appropriate, and it does need to be addressed. First, itโ€™s not this womanโ€™s (or any other womanโ€™s) place to be instructing the congregation. Second, it can take a huge chunk of time (10-15 minutes in the case I observed) out of the worship service, ultimately causing the person who is supposed to be preaching โ€“ the pastor โ€“ to cut his sermon short.

It doesnโ€™t have to be a big, major ordeal, she just needs to be quietly taken aside for a few minutes by whoever is her immediate โ€œsupervisorโ€ (the pastor, the elder who oversees ministries, etc.) and told that she should simply and briefly make the announcement sheโ€™s responsible for and leave it at that. If sheโ€™s not clear on why, she needs to have the aforementioned two reasons why explained to her. (Donโ€™t wimp out and blame it on time constraints alone. This is a teaching moment, and itโ€™s important she be instructed on the biblical aspect of her error.) If she abides by this instruction henceforth, super. If not, she doesnโ€™t get to make announcements in church any more.


15. Should women lead prayers or read Scripture aloud (verbatim, no commentary or teaching) from the platform during the worship service?

My answer below assumes that the woman praying is not using her prayer as an opportunity to basically preach at or exhort the congregation. I have seen that done (similar to preaching/exhorting when making an announcement, see #14, above), and it is unbiblical.

I would discourage both for several reasons.

First, while neither is technically a violation of the “letter of the law,” so to speak, in the times we live in where so many women and their churches are in rebellion against the biblical role of women in the church, having a woman lead prayer or read Scripture from the pulpit or platform may send a message – to visitors and church members – that your church doesn’t want to send.

If a visitor walks in and sees a woman leading in this way she could draw the conclusion that your church is egalitarian. If she’s looking for an egalitarian church and thinks she’s found one, you’ll eventually have to disabuse her of that idea, possibly months down the road after she has already joined the church. If a visitor who’s complementarian comes in and sees women leading in this way, she could also draw the conclusion that your church is egalitarian and get up in the middle of the service and leave before you have a chance to explain the situation. The same kinds of conclusions could be drawn by the members of your church with similar results, causing unrest in your church. Why put a stumbling block in front of your visitors or members?

And on that same note, as a church member, you should take note if your church has a good history of male leadership, and suddenly starts having women pray or read Scripture from the platform during the worship service, especially if you’ve started noticing other red flags along the way. This could be the first sign that your church’s leadership wants to move in a more egalitarian direction, and they’re trying to slowly ease the church body into it. Set up an appointment with your pastor to kindly ask him about it.

Second, there seems to be a tragic dearth of male leadership in the church in general. So many men are either too lazy or too afraid to lead, or they see very few examples of what leadership by a godly man looks like. I think it would be great for the pastor to sometimes ask men who need to learn leadership skills to dip a toe in the water by leading a prayer during church, and at other times ask a spiritually mature man to model leadership skills by leading prayer during worship. Sometimes, these kinds of situations arenโ€™t about womenโ€™s roles, but menโ€™s needs.

Finally, you’ll notice the question specifically says, “from the platform during the worship service”. What about a situation like the (male) teacher of a co-ed adult Sunday School class asking for a volunteer to read a Scripture or pray, or calling on a particular female member of the class to read a Scripture or pray?

If you’re in a rock solid complementarian church, and there’s no concern that someone in the class will misconstrue what’s happening, that’s probably fine, unless your pastor has asked teachers to only call on men for those things, or something like that.


16. Should women serve as worship leaders? What about singing solos, singing in the choir, playing an instrument, etc.?

No, women should not serve as the worship leader. The primary reason I say this has more to do with the position of minister of music โ€“ a term I think we need to get back to โ€“ than the role of women in the church. For the secondary reason, see #15 above…Singing in the choir or on the praise team, singing solos, playing an instrument, etc., under the leadership of the minister of music, is, of course, fine… (See the remainder of my answer to this question in #4 of this article. And be sure to read Scott Aniol’s excellent article on this subject: Who Leads Worship?)


17. Should women serve as deacons/deaconesses?

It depends. Please see my article Deaconesses and Female Deacons.


18. Can women be missionaries? Is it biblical for women to carry out the Great Commission?

Yes. Absolutely. In fact, we need more women โ€“ single and married โ€“ to serve as missionaries (more men, too). The only caveat is that women who serve as missionaries need to do so in a way that is in keeping with Scriptural principles of womenโ€™s roles in the church. (For example, female missionaries should not be pastoring churches on the mission field. A missionaryโ€™s job is to share the gospel with people and then disciple them in sound doctrine, and you donโ€™t want to be teaching false doctrine through the act of preaching to men.) But there are oodles of mission opportunities that fit the bill… (See the remainder of my answer to this question in this article.

The Mailbag: Is it biblical for women to carry out The Great Commission?


19. Can women perform baptisms?

Although there is no explicit biblical prohibition against it, what seems to be most in keeping with the pattern of both Scripture and church history is for pastors and elders to perform baptisms. This would preclude women, as well as most men, from performing baptisms. For more details, see my article Basic Training: Baptism.


20. I’ve heard people say it’s OK for women to preach or teach the Bible to co-ed groups as long as they are doing so under their pastor’s and/or husband’s authority. Is this true?

No. There is no Scripture that says it’s OK for pastors/husbands to extend some sort of mantel of authority to a woman to do these things. When God says “no” about something, no man has a right to say “yes.” I’ve written more about this in my article Fencing off the Forbidden Fruit Tree. (Also see #24 below.)


21. Is it biblical for women to serve as children’s directors? Is the title of children (or women’s) “pastor” or “minister” OK?

The answers to these questions vary on a case by case basis, except for the question of the title of “pastor”. Women should not bear the title Childrenโ€™s (or anything else) โ€œPastorโ€. Biblically, women are not pastors, so carrying that title would be dishonest and misleading.

There are two reasons a woman might bear the title of “minister” (of children or anything else):

  1. She is functioning as a pastor/elder in her position, and either she or the church, or both, are trying to hide this so they can fly under the radar and appear to be in compliance with Scripture. This is the commission of two sins: lying/deception and defying God’s commands regarding the role of women in the church.
  2. She is not functioning as a pastor/elder in her position, and she’s completely in compliance with God’s commands regarding the role of women in the church. The church defines “minister” as any church member who ministers to others. The church gives her the title of “minister” because they want to make crystal clear that while she is ministering (to children or women), she is not a pastor or elder.

Number 1 is a sinful use of the title “minister”. Number 2 is a biblical use of the title “minister”. While I certainly support any church using the title minister for a woman for the second reason, I’m still not crazy about it. And if any church ever asked for my advice about whether or not to give a woman the title of minister, I would advise them not to. Why? Because most people -even Christians- equate “minister” with “pastor”. If your next door neighbor said, “I hear you go to First Baptist Church. Who’s the minister there?” you would answer with the name of your pastor, because that’s what your neighbor means and you would know that’s what he means. You would not answer with the name of your children’s minister or every member of your church who ministers to others. Anyone outside, or even inside, your church could look at the list of staff on the church website, see Sally Jones listed as “Children’s Minister” and assume your church has a female pastor on staff. It’s confusing, and it could lead people to think your church is sinning when it’s not.

It is perfectly biblical for women to teach and lead children in the church setting. (And when I say โ€œchildrenโ€, I mean birth to about age 12. Iโ€™ve addressed women teaching youth/teens above in #13.) The biblical prohibition is against teaching and holding authority over men in the church. Male children are not men.

The potential 1 Timothy 2:12 issue is not with teaching and leading children or supervising other women who teach children. The issue at play is whether or not a female children’s director will be holding unbiblical authority over any men who work or volunteer in the childrenโ€™s department as Sunday school teachers, Awana leaders, nursery workers, etc. And thatโ€™s something thatโ€™s got to be examined on a case by case basis. It could be completely biblical for a woman to serve as a childrenโ€™s director in one church but not in another simply due to circumstances of the environment.

Does the church have only women working in the childrenโ€™s department? Is there an associate pastor or elder over the female children’s director that handles any issues of authority? Would she have to train, evaluate, or correct male volunteers? What kinds of things would male volunteers need to come to her about? These and other questions all need to be carefully considered by her pastor, elders, husband, and the woman herself.

If a pastor or elder oversees the children’s director’s leadership so that she is acting under his authority and at his direction (including the pastor/elder vetting and approving any curricula and materials, guest speakers, activities, etc., she wishes to use), and she is not violating Scripture by preaching to men, teaching men Scripture, or exercising unbiblical authority over men, I donโ€™t see why it would be a problem for a woman to lead the childrenโ€™s ministry. In fact, Christian women and churches who handle this properly could be a superb example and model for other Christian women and churches.


22. Is it biblical for women to help take up the offering (“pass the plate”) during the worship service?

There’s nothing in Scripture that either instructs it or prohibits it, but churches have typically assigned this task to deacons and ushers, who have typically been men (see #17 above). If a church that has typically had deacons and ushers take up the offering suddenly decides to start adding women to that task, my question and concern would be, “Why?”. If they’re doing it as a first “baby step” toward egalitarianism, that’s problematic. If there’s a logistical or (in context, rightly handled) biblical reason for doing it, that’s another matter. I’d suggest asking your pastor about it. If he gives a good logistical (e.g. “We’re in a dangerous area and so many of the deacons are patrolling the property that we don’t have enough of them to take up the offering.”) or biblical reason, and everything else about the church is doctrinally sound, I wouldn’t worry about it too much. It’s certainly not something I would leave that church over.


23. What about women officiating weddings?

A woman “pastor” performed my wedding ceremony. Are my husband and I truly married in God’s eyes?

Yes, you’re still just as married as if a female justice of the peace, ship’s captain, etc. had performed the ceremony. God considers you just as married as He considers your atheist neighbors married who got married at the courthouse on their lunch break (of course, there are Christians who do this, too, and that’s fine).

I have heard from a few readers who, prior to getting saved, were married by civil officiants outside the church. After they got saved they decided to dedicate their marriage to God by renewing their vows in a church ceremony performed by their pastor. If, looking back, you’re uncomfortable that a woman “pastor” performed your ceremony, perhaps you’d like to do something like that.

Is a woman who is licensed by the state to perform weddings the same thing as a woman being a pastor? Is it biblical for women to be civilly licensed as wedding officiants?

Please see my article The Mailbag: Potpourri (Breastfeeding videosโ€ฆWomen performing weddingsโ€ฆOnly God is awesome?).

Is it biblical for me to attend a wedding that’s being officiated by a woman “pastor”?

Please see my article The Mailbag: Potpourri (Female officiant, JMac attack, Google 101โ€ฆ).


24. Is it OK for a woman to “co-teach” a co-ed adult Sunday School, Bible study, small group, etc., class with her husband (or another man)?

It depends on what you and your church mean by that term. What the term โ€œco-teachingโ€ actually means is that you and another teacher(s) take turns teaching the class the Bible lesson. If thatโ€™s how you and your church are using that term, then, no, you shouldnโ€™t be co-teaching. It doesnโ€™t matter whether youโ€™re teaching every week or every other week or once a month or whatever. Youโ€™re still teaching men the Bible, and thatโ€™s still a sin.

However, some churches / Christians will say that, for example, a husband and wife are โ€œco-teachingโ€ a Sunday School class when what they really mean is that the husband is doing all of the actual Bible teaching and the wife is taking care of the administrative duties of the class like making the coffee, taking attendance, organizing fellowships, contacting those who have been absent, etc., but not doing any of the actual teaching. That is absolutely fine, but they need to stop calling it โ€œco-teachingโ€ โ€“ a) because itโ€™s not, and b) because it leads others to believe they and their church are sinning when theyโ€™re actually not.

(Also see #20, above.)


25. Can/should women attend seminary as students, or teach at seminaries?

Women should not (and at doctrinally sound seminaries, cannot) pursue a degree at seminaries whose sole purpose is to train students for the pastorate, since only biblically qualified men may serve as pastors.

Women should not (and at doctrinally sound seminaries, cannot) teach pastoring/preaching-related classes at any seminary. Since only biblically qualified men may serve as pastors, it makes no sense for an unqualified woman to train them for their job.

However, many seminaries are not limited to the singular purpose of training pastors. They offer degree programs in womenโ€™s ministry and childrenโ€™s ministry, missions, biblical counseling, music, languages, and many more non-pastoral fields of study.

Even seminaries which only offer pastoral degrees may require their students to take non-pastoral/preaching classes, such as finance and languages.

While any type of seminary has every right to limit its faculty and/or student body to men regardless of the classes and degree programs it offers, biblically, there is no prohibition against women attending seminary and taking non-pastoral classes or pursuing a non-pastoral/preaching degree. Likewise, there is no biblical prohibition against a woman teaching non-pastoral/preaching classes.

The Mailbag: Should I attend seminary?

Is it OK for women to teach pastors-in-training at seminaries? (3rd section)

Womenary (Women in Seminary) at A Word Fitly Spoken


There are thousands of practical scenarios we could go through about women teaching men, but at the end of the day, we ladies have to examine our hearts honestly and ask ourselves: Is it my heartโ€™s desire to do everything I can to obey and submit to Scripture out of love for Christ, or is it my heartโ€™s desire to do what I want to do and either ignore Scripture or twist Scripture to make it fit what I want out of love for myself? Thatโ€™s ultimately the heart of the matter.


ยนIt’s important that we ladies remember whose authority we’re under. First and foremost, we are under the authority of Christ and His word, and we are to submit to and obey Him. Next, if you’re a minor still living at home, you are under your parents’ authority, and God’s word directs you to honor and obey them. If you are married, the Bible says that you are to submit to and respect your husband. Finally, SCRIPTURE tells us that we are to submit to the biblical instruction of godly pastors and elders
I remind us of these authorities in our lives because, while I can provide answers to questions, I am not an authority in your life. Your husband, parents, or pastor might prefer that you act in ways other than those I’ve outlined above, so, as long as those ways are in compliance with Scripture, please be sure you’re submitting to them.
Complementarianism, Rock Your Role

Rock Your Role: Oh No She Di-int! Priscilla Didn’t Preach, Deborah Didn’t Dominate, and Esther Wasn’t an Egalitarian

Rock Your Role is a series examining the โ€œgo toโ€ and hot button Scriptures that relate to and help us understand our role as women in the church. Donโ€™t forget to prayerfully consider our three key questions
as you read.

How can you say women arenโ€™t to preach to, teach, or hold authority over men in the church? What about Deborah, Esther, Huldah, Phoebe, Priscilla, and the women at Jesusโ€™ tomb? Didnโ€™t they all preach to men, teach them, or hold authority over them?

Thatโ€™s one of the arguments often put forth by people who reject what Godโ€™s word plainly says about the biblical role of women in the church. And the short answer is very simple: Yes and no, and so what?

But maybe a longer answer would be better.

First of all, thereโ€™s a proper way and an improper way to understand Scripture. We want to make sure we understand Scripture the proper way. When we look to Scripture to find out how we should behave – what we should do and not do โ€“ we do not look first, or primarily, at the biographies of people in the Bible and what they did or didnโ€™t do, and model ourselves after them.

Broadly speaking, there are two main types of Scripture: descriptive and prescriptive. Descriptive passages describe something that happened: Noah built an ark. Esther became queen. Paul got shipwrecked. These passages simply tell us what happened to somebody. Prescriptive passages are commands or statements to obey. Donโ€™t lie. Share the gospel. Forgive others.

If we wanted to know how to have a godly marriage, for example, we would look at passages like Ephesians 5:22-33, 1 Corinthians 7, and Exodus 20:14,17. These are all passages that clearly tell us what to do and what not to do in order to have a godly marriage.

What we would not do is look at Davidโ€™s and Solomonโ€™s lives and conclude that polygamy is Godโ€™s design for marriage. We would not read about Hosea and assume that God wants Christian men to marry prostitutes. We would not read the story of the woman at the well and think that being married five times and then shacking up with number six is OK with Jesus.

When looking for instruction about the role of women in the church, we look to clear, prescriptive passages which tell us what to do and what not to do, not descriptive passages about various women in the Bible.

And when looking for instruction about the role of women in the church, we look to clear, prescriptive passages which tell us what to do and what not to do, not descriptive passages about various women in the Bible.

Descriptive passages may support, but never trump, the clear instruction of prescriptive passages.

But just for funzies, letโ€™s take a quick look at these ladies so often trotted out in defense of Christian women disobeying Scripture. (If youโ€™re unclear as to what Godโ€™s word says about womenโ€™s role in the church, you might want to check out this article and this article before reading further.)

Deborah, Huldah, and Esther:

The very first thing we need to remember about these ladies is that they were under the old (Mosaic) covenant of the Old Testament, not the new (grace) covenant of the New Testament. There are a lot of things about the old covenant that no longer apply to Christians in the New Testament because Christ fulfilled the law of the old covenant (Bacon and poly-cotton blends, anyone?). Likewise, there are things about the new covenant that did not apply under the old covenant (The church? Evangelism? Nowhere to be found in the Old Testament.), or for which there are no reasonable precedents in the Old Testament because the church is a new covenant institution.

None of these women were pastors. None taught men the Scriptures in the church (or even temple) setting. None assumed authority over men in the church (or even the temple).

Deborah was a judge. She decided disputes between Israelites and discussed with Barak battle instructions that God had already revealed to him. When Barak refused to stand up and fight like a man, God used Deborah, a woman, to show him that another woman, Jael, would get the glory for killing Sisera. In a patriarchal society a woman in leadership and a female war hero would not have been seen by men or women as a positive thing, but rather as shaming men who were too cowardly to step up, lead, and protect their women and children.

Huldah was a prophetess. She was sent for during the reign of Josiah when the temple was being repaired and the priests hadnโ€™t even been able to find the book of the law for years. Again, what does it say about the spiritual condition of the most important men in the country โ€“ the king and the high priest – when they, in a highly patriarchal society, have to humble themselves and seek out a woman to tell them what God says? Huldah repeated to them what God had told her, and that was it. Since we now have Godโ€™s written word and He no longer speaks through direct revelation this way, there is no parallel between Huldah and New Testament women preaching, teaching, and exercising authority.

Esther, under threat of death, couldnโ€™t even talk to her own husband without his permission, so Iโ€™m not really sure why people seem to think she exercised any authority over men. In fact, the writer of the book of Esther several times makes a point of saying how obedient she was to Mordecai. Esther wasnโ€™t a spiritual leader, she was a queen. The word โ€œGodโ€ isnโ€™t even mentioned in her book, and she certainly didnโ€™t instruct anybody in the Scriptures. Esther is probably one of the weakest examples you could come up with as support for women preaching, teaching, or exercising authority in the church.

The Women at Jesus’ Tomb, Priscilla, and Phoebe

The women at Jesusโ€™ tomb were sort of Old Testament-ish, too, if you think about it. The church didnโ€™t yet exist when they saw Jesus resurrected and ran back to tell the disciples about it. Still, this was not preaching, teaching, or holding authority over the disciples even in a non-church setting. This was a) giving eyewitness testimony of what they had seen and b) carrying a message from Jesus to the disciples. There was no commentary or instruction from the women to the disciples, just a report on what they had seen and a message of where Jesus and the disciples would meet up. And, really, donโ€™t people usually see โ€œmessenger boysโ€ (or girls) as subservient to the people theyโ€™re carrying messages between?

Priscilla (or Prisca) might be the best known Christian woman in the church era of the New Testament. When people try to use her as an argument for female preachers, teachers, and authority, they usually go to Acts 18:26 which says that she and her husband took Apollos aside and fully explained the gospel to him. This was a private meeting among the three of them, likely in their home over a meal or other casual circumstances, not preaching or teaching in the church. Additionally, the Bible makes absolutely no mention of how much, if any, of the actual “explaining” Priscilla did. Itโ€™s quite possible she just sat by as Aquila did the majority of the explaining and contributed only here and there or when Aquila forgot something.

Phoebe is mentioned once in the New Testament, in Romans 16:1-2. Paul commends her to the church at Rome and asks them to help her out because she has been a good servant of the church at Cenchreae. That the word โ€œservantโ€ can also be translated as โ€œdeaconessโ€ in no way indicates that Phoebe (or Priscilla or Junia or any of the other women mentioned in Romans 16) preached to or taught men or exercised authority over men, despite the fact that male deacons today might do such things. The Greek word diakonos simply means โ€œservant.โ€ Acts 6:1-6 gives us a glimpse at some of the services the early deacons likely provided- โ€œwaiting tablesโ€ and meeting the physical needs of the believers. The apostles even drew a distinction between their preaching of the word and the need for others to minister to the material needs of the people.

And one more thing about Priscilla, Phoebe, and the other women of Romans 16: Who โ€“ under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit – wrote the book of Romans? Paul. Who โ€“ under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit โ€“ wrote 1 Timothy 2:11-15? Paul. Would the Holy Spirit have led Paul in Romans 16 to praise women who were rebelling against His Word in 1 Timothy 2? Have you ever known God, anywhere in Scripture, to praise people who unrepentantly break His Word? Would it make any sense, logically, for Paul to praise in Romans 16 women who were habitually and rebelliously disobeying his instructions in 1 Timothy 2?

Would it make any sense for Paul to praise in Romans 16 women who were habitually and rebelliously disobeying his instructions in 1 Timothy 2?

God does not contradict Himself. Godโ€™s Word does not contradict itself. If He gives us an explicit command, biographical details of a Bible characterโ€™s life do not override that command, and we are to obey it.

While there are numerous, important ways God wants Christian women to serve Him in the church, the Bible is clear that we are not to preach to or teach men or exercise authority over men in the assembly of believers. We are to follow in the footsteps of godly women like Esther, Priscilla, and all the others by humbly submitting to His Word and obeying it.

We are to follow in the footsteps of godly women like Esther, Priscilla, and all the others by humbly submitting to His Word and obeying it.


Additional Resources:

Bad Examples of Women Pastors (But Great Examples of Godly Women) by Gabe Hughes