Podcast Appearances

Podcast Guest Appearance – Contending for the Word

Over the holidays, I had the pleasure of chatting with my friend Dave Jenkins on his podcast Contending for the Word, in an episode titled Exposing the Dangers of Passion 2025.

If you’ve followed the Passion Conference over the years, you know it’s problematic. Listen in as Dave and I discuss Christine Caine, Jackie Hill-Perry, and other false teachers who are platformed, women taking the stage and preaching to the co-ed audience, the ostensibly doctrinally sound teachers, like John Piper, who join them, and more!

Be sure to check out Dave’s website, Servants of Grace, where you’ll find an abundance of great teaching, podcasts, and materials, as well as his social media links- and give Dave a follow!


Articles / resources mentioned or touched on in the episode:

Jackie Hill Perry

A Review of Jackie Hill-Perryโ€™s โ€œJude: Contending for the Faith in Todayโ€™s Cultureโ€

Christine Caine

John Piper

Why Your Church Should Stop Playing Bethel, Hillsong, Elevation, and Jesusย Culture

Popular False Teachers & Unbiblical Trends


Got a podcast of your own or have a podcasting friend who needs a guest? Need a speaker for a womenโ€™s conference or church event? Click the โ€œSpeaking Engagementsโ€ tab in the blue menu bar at the top of this page, drop me an e-mail, and letโ€™s chat!

Podcast Appearances

Podcast Guest Appearance: This is the Day Rejoice

Spot the Fake with Michelle Lesley

Before the hustle and bustle of the holidays, it was my joy to sit down and chat about discernment with Elizabeth and Monika of the This Is the Day Rejoice podcast.

Listen in as these sweet sisters in Christ and I discuss the importance of naming names in discernment ministry, the idea that discernment ministries create disunity, advice for those who are new to discernment, and more!


Articles / resources mentioned or touched on in the episode:

Popular False Teachers & Unbiblical Trends


Got a podcast of your own or have a podcasting friend who needs a guest? Need a speaker for a womenโ€™s conference or church event? Click the โ€œSpeaking Engagementsโ€ tab in the blue menu bar at the top of this page, drop me an e-mail, and letโ€™s chat!

Discernment

Getting “Counterfeiting” Right

You’ve probably heard it a million times, just like I have. The old “counterfeit money” illustration about discerning false doctrine and false teachers. If you’re not familiar, it goes a little something like this:

When training tellers to detect counterfeit bills, banks don’t have them study counterfeit money. Tellers are trained to become so familiar with authentic bills that when a counterfeit bill comes their way, they immediately detect it.

This, we’re told, is THE way to learn to discern false doctrine or spot a false teacher – not by being warned about them by name or description (i.e. studying counterfeit money), but only by knowing our Bibles well (i.e. studying authentic bills).

Unless that illustration is being used as a subtle way to say, “Hey, stay away from those mean old discernment bloggers!” it’s a decent illustration, as far as it goes. It’s correct, but not complete.

And if we base our understanding of discernment on this illustration rather than on what Scripture actually teaches about discernment, we’re going to get it wrong. Scripture tells us pastors are to preach sound doctrine AND ALSO rebuke those who contradict it.

The overseer must be…holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to reprove those who contradict.

Titus 1:7a, 9

Rebuking, sounding the alarm, and warning against false teachers and false doctrine is one of the biblical qualifications for pastors. In other words, if a pastor doesn’t warn against false teachers and false doctrine, (i.e. doesn’t warn you and train you about counterfeits) he’s only doing half his job and is disqualified.

Likewise, saying that the only way bank tellers learn about counterfeits and counterfeiters is by handling real money is untrue. When there’s a counterfeiter on the loose, the police alert banks and businesses. There are “Wanted:” posters with the suspect’s name, picture, and M.O., if available.

The media run news stories with surveillance video and descriptions of the counterfeit bills. The police want to get the word out so banks, businesses, and citizens won’t be fooled and taken advantage of, and so the criminal can be caught and brought to justice.

Providentially, not long ago, I spotted this “be on the lookout” (BOLO) warning from the police department of a small town near me. It was posted near a store’s cash register, where all the clerks could see it and be ready when counterfeit bills came their way.

It’s imperative that we study our Bibles and know them well. That knowledge of Scripture is like a filter that can catch all sorts of bad teaching before it has a chance to take root in our brains. But it’s only half the story. We also have to be familiar with the counterfeit teachings and teachers prevalent in evangelicalism today, and warn our churches, friends, and loved ones about them.

This is the complete picture of discernment given to us in Scripture. So, yeah, use the counterfeit money illustration to your heart’s content, but make sure you tell the whole story.

Discernment, False Teachers

The Perilous Parable of Dr. Shepherd and Dr. Tickle

Originally published January 27, 2013

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Once upon a time, there was a college student who was majoring in engineering. Letโ€™s call her Brie. (Why? No particular reason except that Iโ€™m hungry and I happen to like cheese. But back to our story.)

One of the pre-requisite classes Brie had to take for her major was calculus. Brie had heard about the various calculus professors at her university. Some were tough. Some were boring. A few had a reputation for being easy.

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Brie knew she did not want to take calculus from Dr. Shepherd. Although she had some friends who had taken his class and really seemed to know their stuff, calculaically speaking, they had told her that he demanded excellence of his students, had a no qualms about flunking students who werenโ€™t trying and didnโ€™t know the material, and gave regularโ€”and challengingโ€” homework and tests.

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Brie was leaning more towards Dr. Tickle. Everybody said she was really nice and cared warmly for her students. She wasnโ€™t a stickler about deadlines for assignments, taught in a funny and entertaining way, and โ€“most importantly for Brieโ€”didnโ€™t believe in tests. Brie hated tests.

All of the sections of Dr. Tickleโ€™s classes usually filled up quickly, so Brie wasted no time registering, and, happily, secured a spot. She knew sheโ€™d made the right choice when, on the first day of class, Dr. Tickle started the lesson off with a one woman skit. She filled the rest of the class period with jokes and inspiring personal stories about her own days as an engineering major. No formulas. No notes. They didnโ€™t even crack the spines on their new text books. Brie felt completely at home and comfortable in Dr. Tickleโ€™s class.

About half way through the semester, Brie was regaling her friend, Tess, with a joke Dr. Tickle had told in class that day. Tess giggled at the punch line, but then her brow furrowed.

โ€œWow, youโ€™re really taking Dr. Tickle for calculus?โ€ Tess asked.

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โ€œSure,โ€ replied Brie, โ€œI love her class. Why?โ€

โ€œWell, I took her calculus class for a few weeks. Dr. Tickle didnโ€™t really teach much actual math. And even when she did teach us a little bit about how to work some of the problems, I checked my notes against the book, and she had completely botched it. She had left out parts of the formulas, and some of the other things she taught us were the exact opposite of what the book said. If I had stayed in her class, I wouldnโ€™t have a clue as to whatโ€™s going on in the upper level classes Iโ€™m taking now. In fact, I probably wouldnโ€™t even be graduating. Iโ€™d really recommend that you drop Dr. Tickleโ€™s class and take calculus from a good professor who knows what heโ€™s doing. I took Dr. Shepherdโ€™s class. Heโ€™s tough, but heโ€™s a great teacher.โ€

โ€œWhat?!?! How can you say that about Dr. Tickle? I leave her class every day feeling great about calculus! Not once has she ever made me feel uncomfortable or stressed about my calculations. Sheโ€™s so understanding and kind, and I love the fun way she teaches. I thought you were my friend, Tess, and I thought you were a nice person, too. How could you say such mean things about Dr. Tickle?

โ€œI am your friend, Brie! I want you to be able to understand calculus properly so youโ€™ll do well in the tougher classes that come later. I want to see you graduate with high marks and become a great engineer. Iโ€™m trying to help you!โ€

โ€œWell, I think Dr. Tickle is a great teacher, and I really enjoy her class,โ€ Brie responded coolly, โ€œWeโ€™ll just have to agree to disagree.โ€

There are Dr. Shepherds and Dr. Tickles on church campuses, too. God has not called pastors to stand in the pulpit and tickle your ears with jokes and stories. Nor has He called them to make the Bible and his sermons all about you and your self esteem, your dreams, your health, or your lust for material things. God has called pastors to:

preachย the word; be ready in seasonย andย out of season;ย reprove, rebuke, exhort, withย greatย patience and instruction. Forย the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; butย wantingย to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,ย andย will turn away their ears from the truth andย will turn aside to myths.ย But you,ย be sober in all things,ย endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill yourย ministry.
2 Timothy 4:2-5

If you have a Tess in your life who is warning you that a pastor, teacher, or author youโ€™re following is a false teacher, donโ€™t react like Brie did. What if your friend is right? Do you really want to follow a wolf in shepherdโ€™s clothing, or do you want to follow a Dr. Shepherd who will give you the truth of Godโ€™s word even if itโ€™s difficult? Check him out. Where? Here are some resources:

Clinging to the Golden Calf: 7 Godly Responses When Someone Says Youโ€™re Following a False Teacher

Popular False Teachers & Unbiblical Trends

Is She a False Teacher? 7 Steps to Figuring it Out on Your Own

Podcast Appearances

Podcast Guest Appearance – Contending for the Word

I once again had the pleasure of chatting with my friend Dave Jenkins on his podcast Contending for the Word, in an episode titled Exposing John and Lisa Bevere in Deliverance Ministry, Repentance, and Sanctification.

Listen in as Dave and I discuss the Beveres’ false doctrine and the way they twist Scripture on these issues, what the Bible really teaches, and more! Even if you don’t follow the Beveres, many other false teachers share the same beliefs, so you’ll want to give this a listen to educate yourself on the falsehoods flying around out there and equip yourself to help your friends and loved ones who believe them.

Be sure to check out Dave’s website, Servants of Grace, where you’ll find an abundance of great teaching, podcasts, and materials, as well as his social media links- and give Dave a follow!


Articles / resources mentioned or touched on in the episode:

John & Lisa Bevere

Popular False Teachers & Unbiblical Trends

Searching for a new church?

Speaking Engagements

A Word Fitly Spoken


Got a podcast of your own or have a podcasting friend who needs a guest? Need a speaker for a womenโ€™s conference or church event? Click the โ€œSpeaking Engagementsโ€ tab in the blue menu bar at the top of this page, drop me an e-mail, and letโ€™s chat!