Speaking Engagements

Report Back: Jesus Camp Nantucket Retreat 2024

In late October 2024, I once again had the privilege of teaching another great group of ladies at the Jesus Camp, Nantucket Women’s Retreat on Nantucket Island, Massachusetts. Conferences are super for reaching out to women in your community and surrounding areas, but retreats provide an intimate atmosphere that’s conducive to both formal instruction and informal, one on one discipleship. And we had plenty of time and space for both! Many thanks to Darcy Creech Marelli for opening up her lovely homes and hosting this biannual time of refreshing for women from all over the country.

In 2022, when I spoke at JCNWR, it was just a couple of months prior to my 30th wedding anniversary, so my husband, Scott, and I decided to drive to the retreat and treat ourselves to a “working second honeymoon,” visiting some fun “touristy” places on the way back home. We had such a great time, we decided to do it again last year and this year, too.

It’s two full days of driving from Baton Rouge, Louisiana, to Hyannis, Massachusetts, and, praise God, we had a fairly uneventful trip. We stopped at the visitors’ center in Trenton, Georgia, which we thought was going to be one of those big, fancy rest stops that you find near the state line on the interstate, but the Dade County Visitors’ Center was more like a small tourist information center in a charming storefront in the middle of town. Shoutout to Ms. Patricia who practically adopted us and saved us a bundle of time with an alternate route around Chattanooga traffic.

It is my personal belief that every visitors’ center should have adorable stickers like these to give out. :0)

The next day we stopped for gas at a way-off-the-beaten-path town in New York, in a somewhat sketchy looking neighborhood, and a gentleman saw the military stickers on our van, thanked my husband for his service, and let us go ahead of him in line at the gas pump.

Nothing extraordinary, but meeting nice people like these around the country is such a blessing and makes the trip more fun.

The following day, Wednesday, we caught up on some much needed rest, and after a leisurely lunch together, I boarded the ferry for Nantucket Island.

The ladies began to arrive that evening. We shared a delicious dinner, and then had the opportunity to hear everyone’s “two minute testimony”. Our backgrounds varied from those of us who were born and raised in church and came to know Christ at an early age to those who had survived abuse, or walked on the wild side, or were involved in heretical church backgrounds before coming to Christ later in life. There is no such thing as a “boring” testimony. Every new birth in Jesus is a miracle of His mercy and grace.

This year, I taught a four lesson series on the topic of biblical womanhood. The sessions were not recorded, but I’ve taught the same sessions before at other conferences:

Godโ€™s Design for Biblical Womanhood

Godโ€™s Design for Biblical Manhood

Walking in Biblical Womanhood

Holy Mothers (and others) of Godโ€™s Word (There are substantial differences, but Session 4 was about 60-70% drawn from this teaching session on holiness)

Thursday’s teaching started with God’s Design for Biblical Womanhood. We explored the value God places on womanhood and the unique place women hold in God’s plan for Creation, the home, and the church.

We finished things off for the day with God’s Design for Biblical Manhood. Manhood isn’t toxic. It’s a captivating part of God’s good design in Creation for men to lead their families, their churches, and to lead the way in exercising dominion over the earth. Each session was followed by a time of Q&A and discussion groups.

Friday, we kicked things off with Walking in Biblical Womanhood. The Fall led us to crave reversing roles with men and with God. But when we stand firm against the schemes of the devil, our homes and churches can truly flourish.

Our last session was Biblical Womanhood: Our Sisters in Scripture. God has given us excellent examples of pursuing holiness as godly women in the stories of many of our sisters in Scripture.

Both teaching sessions were again followed by Q&A and discussion groups. All of the ladies were very gracious and receptive, and we had many edifying moments of discipleship.

Of course, there’s always time for food, fellowship, and fun!

Friday afternoon, Darcy’s apiarist (beekeeper), Anton, came out, showed us High Point’s hives, and gave a fascinating talk about the lives of bees. I love to listen to people who are both passionate and knowledgeable about their field and I think you would be hard put to find anyone more passionate or knowledgeable about bees than Anton was.

Sunset made for some gorgeous pictures!

Sweet fellowship…

Fire pit and s’mores!

All too soon, it was time to say goodbye, and I boarded an early morning ferry back to the mainland.

It was a wonderful time of fellowship in the Lord, and I hope to return soon! Many thanks to Darcy and her assistant, Otilia, who worked so hard to host a great retreat, took care of all my needs, and made me feel so welcome.


I arrived on the mainland mid-morning, and we promptly hit the road for Maryland to spend a little time with some of my husband’s family, whom we hadn’t seen in quite a while. It was a nice visit.

Next on the itinerary was the Pigeon Forge / Gatlinburg / Sevierville area of Tennessee. To get there, we had to go through Virginia. All day. Diagonally, I think, from the northeastern tip to the southwestern tip. That’s a lot of Virginia.

(Actually, I love Virginia. My parents used to live there and I’ve done more conferences in Virginia than any other state, including my own. I don’t think there’s a part of that state that isn’t beautiful.)

We finally pulled into Sevierville that evening and stopped at the Sevierville Buc-ee’s, which, until recently, was the largest Buc-ee’s in the world.

It was close to election day, and we couldn’t resist! We don’t care how hick anybody thinks we are! :0)

Exhausted, we checked into our hotel in Pigeon Forge. While there, we met a celebrity. I thought you might like to see the star of the new reality TV show, “Real Pigeons of Pigeon Forge”.๐Ÿ˜‚

We spent our honeymoon in the Gatlinburg area have always wanted to go back. I figured it had probably changed a lot in 32 years, and we were only going to be there for a few days, so I asked my followers for all of the “must see” sights. They did not disappoint.

The overwhelming majority of respondents said we simply had to go to Cades Cove, and they were so right! Cades Cove is the remnant of a 19th century community in the Smoky Mountains with homes, a grist mill, and three preserved churches (you know I was all over that!). We would highly recommend you go, but that you go on a day when a mama bear is not blocking the road for three hours in order to protect her cub. For that same reason, we’d recommend you not go when it’s hot, cold, raining, or when you have to go to the bathroom. Late October was perfect and the fall foliage was gorgeous.

Our first stop along the trail was the Primitive Baptist Church. The ranger (who we suspected might have been a deacon at his own church!) gave a captivating talk on the building itself, as well as the practices of the church and the community.

The church was the center of life and the โ€œinvisible governmentโ€ of the community. The ranger talked about the practice of church discipline, using as an example, a lazy man who wouldnโ€™t work to provide for his family. The elders would confront him, then, if he didn’t repent, disinvite him from church, and if he still didn’t repent, they would excommunicate him, which included shunning and refusing to trade with him.

The ranger also talked about how the church would provide for widows, and for people experiencing catastrophic illness or events.

When someone died, the church bell would be rung the same number of times as the age of the deceased. Everyone would drop what he or she was doing and immediately come together at the church. The men would dig the grave in the church’s graveyard, and the women would tend to the bereaved.

When an issue or proposal arose in the community, the elders would consider what Scripture had to say and reject it if it didnโ€™t measure up to Scripture.

In other words, the church was being the church.

The Methodist church…

If you’re a musician and you’ve ever been in an old church like this, I don’t have to tell you, the acoustics are phenomenal. We had to give them a try.

Please extend me a little grace. We hadn’t sung this in a while and I was having trouble finding my note. :0)

Next up was the Missionary Baptist Church. They split off the Primitive Baptist Church because they wanted to send out missionaries and the Primitive Baptist Church didn’t.

Acoustics, I said.

After the aforementioned three hour delay, courtesy of Boo Boo and his mama, we moved on to “Aunt Becky” Cable’s home, mill, and outbuildings.

On our way back through the mountains to Pigeon Forge, we stopped at a few charming craft shops (Providentially, one of them donated part of their profits to Reformed missionaries!), and ended up at another reader recommended spot, The Old Mill Restaurant and shopping district, where we learned a lot about the history of Pigeon Forge, visited some quaint shops, and had a huge and fabulous supper (for a surprisingly low price!).

After a good night’s rest, the Titanic Museum was next on our agenda. The building is designed to resemble the ship itself, and is quite fantastical looking. When you “board,” you’re issued a โ€œboarding passโ€ with the name and information of a real passenger who was aboard the Titanic. Some of these passengers are mentioned in various exhibits. At the end of the tour, you find out whether or not your passenger survived. (Mine did, Scottโ€™s didnโ€™t.)

I found it interesting that several pastors and missionaries were aboard ship. All gave up their seats on the lifeboats to others, and I appreciated the little area that was a tribute especially to them.

In the iceberg room, which the bridge overlooked, it was very cold, and you could put your hand in 28 degree water to experience the cold of that night.

Genuine artifacts from recovery missions to the site of the sinking were plentiful. We found it fascinating.

Our next project was to attempt to locate the lovely chalet we stayed in for our honeymoon. I still had the directions in my scrapbook, and we gathered our courage and drove up the harrowingly narrow mountain road. But, alas, it was not to be. We could not locate the chalet or even the road it had been on. We suspect it burned down during the catastrophic Great Smoky Mountain wildfires of 2016.

Our last stop for the day was another reader recommendation, The Apple Barn, a charming little shopping and restaurant district centered around a cider mill. We had a wonderful time shopping at the general store and other shops, snacking on fried apple pies and apple doughnuts, and eating another fantastic supper at the Applewood Farmhouse Grill.

When we got to the bakery, I spied a loaf of blackberry bread that looked awfully familiar, and whipped out my phone to find it was the same bread I’d been given by a dear attendee at a conference in Tennessee over a year earlier.

L- 2023 Tennessee conference gift, R- 2024 trip to The Apple Barn. If you can’t read the caption, it says, “…Iโ€™m not exaggerating when I say this is the best fruit bread Iโ€™ve ever eaten in my life. Ever.”

It was an amazing find – one of the highlights of the trip, for me – I was giddy, and my husband got really tired of hearing about it.

The next day was spent shopping and walking around in downtown Gatlinburg like we did on our honeymoon.

And finally, happily, we headed back home, thanking God for another wonderful time together.


Photo Credits

Thank you to all the retreat attendees who generously shared many of the photos you see above in the retreat section.

All other photos by Michelle and Scott Lesley

Faith

It’s OK to Be Ordinary

Originally published January 16, 2013

Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.
Titus 2:3-5

Love our husbands and children.

Be self-controlled, pure, and kind.

Work at home.

Be submissive to our own husbands.

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In other words: ordinary. 

I didn’t see anything in there about changing the world or living out great big enormous dreams, did you? I think, often, as 21st century Christian women, the evangelical culture can make us feel like we are failures if we don’t have some sort of huge ministry or preach the gospel on the street corner every day. In Titus’ day that sort of thing would have been unbecoming for women. In our culture, women have more opportunities to be involved in various ministries than back then, but we have to remember that God calls us to faithfully serve Him in whatever life circumstances He has put us in. And He has not called the vast majority of us to be ministry superstars or Christian celebrities.

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He has called most of us to be ordinary.

Staying home and pouring the gospel into our families or being a gospel influence to others at work or teaching Sunday school or sharing the gospel through volunteer work, and so on, though it may not amount to much in the world’s eyes, is success and faithfulness in God’s eyes. And that’s all that matters.

You’re not failing God if you’re ordinary.

Faith

Throwback Thursday ~ God’s Cartography

Originally published January 19, 2013

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Are you โ€œdirectionally challengedโ€?

I am.

I mean, I can read and follow a map, but if I make some wrong turns or get distracted, I tend to get disoriented. And donโ€™t even try to tell me to โ€œgo northโ€ or โ€œturn southโ€ when youโ€™re giving me directions. I just donโ€™t have that internal compass some people have. Heck, our church has had an โ€œeast campusโ€ and a โ€œwest campusโ€ for over a year, and I still canโ€™t figure out which one is which. Thank goodness for map apps. Without those step by step directions, Iโ€™d probably still be wandering around out there somewhere.

But, you know what? I did really well in geography when I was in school.

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When I can see the big picture, the whole map at once, the beginning, middle, and end of the journey, itโ€™s a piece of cake. I never get confused about which direction is southeast or northwest. I donโ€™t get distracted by twists or turns in the road. If I could just have this perspective when Iโ€™m trying to get somewhere, Iโ€™d never get lost again.

But life isnโ€™t like that.

We live inside the road trip where itโ€™s easy to get confused and go the wrong way. Where we can get distracted by the twists and turns of circumstances. Where we sometimes deliberately choose to turn off the right road and take a side trip that takes us farther than we wanted to go.

We canโ€™t step โ€œoutside the mapโ€ and see the big picture of our lifeโ€™s journey from beginning to end.

But God can. Thatโ€™s where He lives.

โ€ฆin your book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there was none of them.
Psalm 139:19

And since He alone can see the big picture, Heโ€™s the only One whoโ€™s really qualified to give us direction. And that perfect direction can only be found in His Word.

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Just like my map app, He tells us our starting point:

And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedienceโ€”among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. Ephesians 2:1-3

He tells us the detour we need to take:

โ€ฆrepent and believe in the gospel. Mark 1:15b

He shows us the right direction to go:

โ€ฆwhat sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness…
2 Peter 3:11

And he reveals our ultimate destination:

Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17

Not using โ€œGodโ€™s Positioning Systemโ€?

Recalculate.

(Donโ€™t groan and roll your eyes. You should have seen that one coming :0)

Podcast Appearances

Podcast Guest Appearance: This is the Day Rejoice

Spot the Fake with Michelle Lesley

Before the hustle and bustle of the holidays, it was my joy to sit down and chat about discernment with Elizabeth and Monika of the This Is the Day Rejoice podcast.

Listen in as these sweet sisters in Christ and I discuss the importance of naming names in discernment ministry, the idea that discernment ministries create disunity, advice for those who are new to discernment, and more!


Articles / resources mentioned or touched on in the episode:

Popular False Teachers & Unbiblical Trends


Got a podcast of your own or have a podcasting friend who needs a guest? Need a speaker for a womenโ€™s conference or church event? Click the โ€œSpeaking Engagementsโ€ tab in the blue menu bar at the top of this page, drop me an e-mail, and letโ€™s chat!

Discernment, Mailbag

The Mailbag: “I Speak Jesus,” Charity Gayle, and How to Vet Christian Music

Every time I hear โ€œI speak Jesus over youโ€ I cringe. I canโ€™t exactly explain why. Is it scriptural??

No it’s not, which is why it makes you cringe. It’s pretending to be biblical and your John 10:5, 27 sheep ears know it’s not. Here’s why it’s not:

โ€ข There’s nothing in Scripture that tells us to do, or shows an example of anyone doing anything of the sort. The Bible speaks in terms of encouraging, teaching, preaching, exhorting, rebuking, reproving, and comforting others with the written Word of God. If that’s what the person using this phrase means, then that’s what she should say.

Christians should use biblical terminology for biblical concepts, not made up, mystic linguistics. But what “I speak Jesus over you” sounds like, and what she probably means is some sort of supernatural transaction in which she mystically, verbally pulls Jesus down out of Heaven and invisibly spreads Him out over you, like a tarp or an umbrella, to ward off evil spirits or negative circumstances. Sounds kinda pagan, and witchcrafty or incantationy doesn’t it? That’s because it is, which brings us to the second reason you’re cringing…

โ€ข You don’t hear doctrinally sound, biblical Christians saying this. This is a buzzword/phrase typical of New Apostolic Reformation heretics. You probably heard this from an NAR false teacher or someone you know who’s into NAR (Bethel, etc.) garbage. This is John 10 at work in your spirit again: Christ’s true sheep (genuinely regenerated Believers) know His voice – what His teaching of sound doctrine from Scripture sounds like – and they will not follow the voice of strangers (false teachers).

โ€ข It’s grammatically… incorrect stupid. We speak words. We can’t speak objects or people. It’s impossible. It makes no more grammatical sense to “speak Jesus” over someone than it does to “speak a frying pan” over her.

God ontologically wired human beings for language, and the structure and grammar that goes with it, and we intuitively know when something is linguistically whackadoodle, even if we can’t put our finger on why. That’s another reason you’re cringing.

So if someone said “I speak Jesus over you” to me, I’d have some questions:

โ€ข What do you mean by that?

โ€ข Where, in context and rightly handled, does the Bible teach us to do that?

โ€ข What is that supposed to accomplish, or what will the result of that be so I can watch for it?

People who use this kind of phraseology are going to have trouble coming up with answers to those questions, because “I speak Jesus over you” is not taught in Scripture and doesn’t even make logical or grammatical sense.

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I was asked this question publicly on X. Since I don’t listen to pop “Christian” music – and especially not “Christian” music of this theological caliber – I was not aware that I Speak Jesus is the title of a song by an artist named Charity Gayle. I misunderstood the lady who asked the question to mean that this is a phrase she’s heard people using in conversation (I’ve heard NAR people say similar things), so that’s the way I answered. After I answered, she informed me that it’s a song.

(Just a little aside here: I do try to keep abreast of things and people in evangelicalism, I promise, but there are so many things and so many people that it’s impossible. Followers often ask me brief questions with little context, use acronyms I’m not familiar with, vaguely allude to situations I’ve never heard of, etc., assuming I’ll know what they’re talking about. I’m very flattered that my followers think I’m up on everything that’s going on out there, but I just want to be perfectly transparent that I’m not. I can’t be. Sorry about that. So when you have a question, do have mercy on me and make sure I know what you’re talking about so I can give you an answer that will actually be helpful to you. I don’t want to be unhelpful. :0)

So now that I know it’s a song, I thought this would be a good opportunity to demonstrate for you, step by step, using I Speak Jesus as an example, how to vet the purportedly “Christian” music you might be listening to.

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You hear a song. It’s catchy. You like it. You’re kind of half paying attention to the lyrics, but nothing jumps out and slaps you in the face as overtly heretical, like “๐ŸŽถ Ooo, ooo… the Trinity doesn’t exist…๐ŸŽถ” or “๐ŸŽถ Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? YES, baby, YES! ๐ŸŽถ.”

2.

You listen again, this time paying attention to all of the lyrics. You still don’t hear anything overtly heretical. On the surface, everything seems like it aligns with Scripture, or at least doesn’t contradict it. In fact, you’re pretty sure you heard some theological words or part of a Bible verse in there, somewhere. It must be a biblical song, right? Not so fast, there, Skippy.

3.

๐ŸŽถ Whoa, whoa… listen to the music…๐ŸŽถ NOT. Turn the music off, get a text copy of the lyrics (It’s easy to do this by typing the title of the song, followed by the word “lyrics” into your preferred search engine.), slowly, carefully, and discerningly read the words, and compare them to rightly handled, in context Scripture.

Why read instead of listen? Because, whether you realize it or not, the music itself is impacting you. You wouldn’t have finished listening to the song the first time if you hated the music. It’s pleasing your senses, drawing you in, and dulling your objectivity*. You don’t need that distraction when you’re trying to be discerning. Additionally, listening to a song, no matter how slow the tempo, doesn’t give you the time you need to stop and ponder the words in light of Scripture, nor do you have all of the words in front of you at once.

*(Full disclosure: I gave the answer above to the lady on X about the phrase, “I speak Jesus over you” and went through the lyrics of this song two or three times before I listened to it, and even then I could feel a little tickle at the back of my brain going, “The music is great. Maybe the song isn’t so bad after all.” That’s probably exactly how Eve was feeling in the Garden when the serpent offered her that beautiful piece of fruit. And we all know how that turned out. It’s imperative that our brains, logic, and rational thought keep our feelings and senses in check when we’re trying to be discerning.)

Let’s look at the lyrics of I Speak Jesus:

I Speak Jesus

Verse 1:
I just wanna speak the name of Jesus
Over every heart and every mind
‘Cause I know there is peace within Your presence
I speak Jesus

Verse 2:
I just wanna speak the name of Jesus
‘Til every dark addiction starts to break
Declaring there is hope and there is freedom
I speak Jesus

Refrain:
‘Cause Your name is power
Your name is healing
Your name is life
Break every stronghold
Shine through the shadows
Burn like a fire

Verse 3:
I just wanna speak the name of Jesus
Over fear and all anxiety
To every soul held captive by depression
I speak Jesus

Refrain

Bridge:
Shout Jesus from the mountains
Jesus in the streets
Jesus in the darkness, over every enemy
Jesus for my family
I speak the holy name
Jesus, oh (oh)

Repeat bridge

Refrain

Repeat verse 1
Repeat bridge and refrain as artist desires

Performed by: Charity Gayle
Written by: Jesse Reeves, Dustin Smith, Abby Benton, Kristen Dutton, Carlene Prince, Raina Pratt
I Speak Jesus lyrics ยฉ Integrity’s Praise! Music, All Essential Music, For Me And My House Songs

OK, so what is the singer saying she wants to do here?
She wants to speak the name of Jesus.

Over whom?
Verse 1: Over every heart and mind (all people)
Verse 2: Over addiction itself (as a spirit or entity), or over people with addictions (it’s unclear)
Verse 3: Over fear and all anxiety (as spirits or entities), and over people with depression

Why?
Because she believes merely speaking the word “Jesus” taps into His power, healing, and life. She believes that speaking the word “Jesus” can break every stronghold; that the word “Jesus” will shine through the shadows and burn like a fire. (You’d have to ask the songwriters exactly what they mean by those last two metaphors, but I’m surmising that they mean something along the lines of, “Speaking the word ‘Jesus’ brings light to spiritual darkness.”)

Is this biblical?
No. Not in the way it’s being presented, as if the word “Jesus” is some sort of magic word you say, like “Abracadabra!” or “Hocus Pocus!” that – TA DAAAA! – magically makes things like addiction and depression disappear.

If saying the word “Jesus” did that, you’d see a lot more healing and peace and all the other things mentioned in the song happening, because a lot of people “speak Jesus” in vain a lot of the time. I mean, when was the last time you were watching a TV show and one of the characters blasphemously exclaimed, “J—s!”? Did that heal you of the flu or your gout? No, of course it didn’t.

To which Charity and the songwriters would probably reply, “Well, we didn’t mean it like that! We mean Christians speaking the name of Jesus over people with faith that doing so will heal them, bring them peace, etc.”.

Maybe so, but that’s not what they’re saying. The lyrics of the song imply that there is some sort of intrinsic power in the word “Jesus” itself. “Your name is power. Your name is healing. Your name is life.” The lyrics don’t give any other provisos other than the word passing someone’s lips.

But let’s grant them the benefit of the doubt that when they say “speak Jesus” they mean Christians speaking it with some sort of faith in what saying it will accomplish. Is that biblical?

No, it’s not. It is actually a violation of the third Commandment (taking God’s name in vain) and the laws and commands against practicing witchcraft, magic, and casting spells. Because that is exactly the way they’re using the name of Jesus – the same way witches cast spells. They’re attempting to speak words that harness supernatural power that doesn’t belong to them in order to exercise power and control over things that only God has power and control over.

And remember this little incident in Acts 19:11-19a?

And God was doing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, 12 so that cloths or aprons were even carried from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out. 13 But also some of the Jewish exorcists, who went from place to place, attempted to invoke over those who had the evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, โ€œI implore you by Jesus whom Paul preaches.โ€ 14 Now seven sons of one named Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. 15 And the evil spirit answered and said to them, โ€œI recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?โ€ 16 And the man, in whom was the evil spirit, leaped on them, subdued all of them, and utterly prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. 17 And this became known to all, both Jews and Greeks, who lived in Ephesus; and fear fell upon them all and the name of the Lord Jesus was being magnified. 18 Also, many of those who had believed kept coming, confessing and disclosing their practices. 19 And many of those who practiced magic brought their books together and were burning them in the sight of everyone;

The magicians burning their books of spells in the fear of God in verse 19 demonstrates that they recognized that the Jewish exorcists “invoking the name of the Lord Jesus” (13) were doing essentially the same thing they were doing- casting spells. The magicians saw what happened to the exorcists and they didn’t want that to happen to them, too.

And invok[ing] over those who had the evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus (13) is exactly what I Speak Jesus is teaching. Go back up to “Over whom?” above. See how I’ve notated the lyrics “addiction,” “fear,” and “anxiety,” as “a spirit or entity”? There’s a reason for that. The NAR doesn’t teach sin like the Bible does. It doesn’t say, “You’ve committed the sin of drunkenness and you need to repent.” It says, “The spirit of addiction is on you and you need to be delivered from that spirit.” The NAR teaches that sin (and illness) happen because you’re possessed by, or at least influenced by, demonic spirits, and you need “deliverance” from those demons and spirits (Sounds an awful lot like the “exorcists” trying to drive out “evil spirits” in v. 13, doesn’t it?). This is not at all what the Bible teaches about sin (or illness either, for that matter). Here’s what God says about why we sin:

But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin, and when sin is fully matured, it brings forth death. James 1:14-15

No demons. No evil spirits. You and I sin because our flesh wants to. Because our flesh craves and lusts after something unholy that we’re not supposed to have. “The devil made me do it,” was a Flip Wilson comedy routine, not biblical theology. We are responsible for our sin, not some demon or spirit.

This was funny at the time because everyone – even pagans – knew it was ridiculous. But this is basically what’s now being taught at New Apostolic Reformation “churches” all over the world.

The Bible does not teach us to “speak Jesus over” anyone or anything for the purpose of bringing about results (healing, peace, freedom from sin, conquering the enemy, etc.) that are strictly within the purview of God. If you want to see people set free from sin, fear, anxiety, depression, and addiction, the biblical thing to do is to call them to repent and believe the gospel.

Is this song biblical?
No. It teaches false doctrine and is completely unbiblical.

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Now, maybe you’re not so much with all this “right brain” stuff – artsy words and metaphors and such. You’re more of a “left brain,” analytical, “Just the facts, ma’am,” kind of gal. Or maybe you’re just looking for a faster way to find out whether a song is worth listening to in the first place.

I have good news for you. Assuming the artist in question is somewhat prolific, there’s often a faster and easier way to find out what you should or shouldn’t be listening to. And it’s also a more biblical way than vetting individual songs.

When the Bible deals with false teachers, it doesn’t teach us to sift through every article they’ve written or every sermon they’ve preached and keep what’s good and throw out what’s bad. (In common parlance, this is often referred to as “chewing up the meat and spitting out the bones,” and it is an unbiblical way of dealing with false teachers.) The Bible teaches us to stay away from them, altogether.

Romans 16:17-18– “Turn away from” or “avoid” them.
2 John 9-11– “Do not receive him into your house and do not give him a greeting”.
Titus 3:10– “Reject” a factious man.

Scripture teaches us to avoid that teacher completely. Avoid him as a person and every piece of content he has ever created. And that’s the model we should be following with Christian musicians as well. In the same way you wouldn’t listen to a “good” sermon from heretics like Bill Johnson or Steven Furtick, you shouldn’t be listening to “good” songs from doctrinally unsound or heretical musicians. And churches should definitely not be using music from heretical sources in their worship services.

Why Your Church Should Stop Playing Bethel, Hillsong, Elevation, and Jesus Culture

How do you find out who should be avoided? You examine the musician’s life, doctrine, and practices. If you need a little help, you can use the resource I’ve created for vetting teachers: Is She a False Teacher? 7 Steps to Figuring it Out on Your Own.

The first thing I would suggest looking for is any ties to Bethel, Hillsong, or Elevation – all households of heresy (New Apostolic Reformation / Word of Faith). Bethel practically holds a monopoly on the Christian music industry (Hillsong, not as much any more since all the scandals, but Elevation is still hanging in there as a wannabe.), so any evangelical musician seeking fame and fortune is going to be looking to hitch her wagon to Bethel’s star. So look for connections to Bethel and anyone with strong ties to Bethel, for example, Phil Wickham. But also look for connections to any musician or band that you know has bad theology. I’ve got a few listed here, but this is honestly not an area I keep current with, so you may need to bounce things off a discerning friend who is more in the know than I.


Is “I speak Jesus over you” a biblical concept? Nope. Is the song I Speak Jesus biblical? Nope. Keep being discerning as you decide which music and artists to listen to.


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