Mailbag

The Mailbag: Should Christian Couples Watch Pornography Together?

Originally published January 16, 2017

My husband (he says he’s a Christian) wants me to watch pornographic videos with him to improve our sex life. Is this something God would be OK with? The Bible says I’m to submit to my husband. Should I submit to him and watch the videos?

No. Nononononono. Just all the way around- no. Could I be any clearer? NO

But perhaps I should expand on that just a bit. Let’s start with some Scriptures, shall we?

Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous. Hebrews 13:4
“sexually immoral”: πόρνους (pornous)

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:27-28

For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. Matthew 15:19
“sexual immorality”: πορνεῖαι (porneiai)

Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy. Romans 13:13

But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 1 Corinthians 5:11

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 1 Corinthians 6:9

But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Ephesians 5:3

For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God; that no one transgress and wrong his brother in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we told you beforehand and solemnly warned you. For God has not called us for impurity, but in holiness. Therefore whoever disregards this, disregards not man but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8

Viewing pornography is a sin. Period. There are no circumstances whatsoever under which it could be construed as biblically acceptable, and no Scriptures that even hint that it might be OK. (Notice above that our English word “pornography” comes from the same Greek root that is translated in these verses as “sexual immorality”.) When Scripture addresses sexual relations it always teaches, both explicitly and implicitly, that all sexual activity – what you do, what you think about, what you touch, what you look at, what you listen to – whatever you experience sexually is to be within the confines of the husband-wife relationship. The people you’re watching perform sex acts in pornography are not your spouse, so pornography is outside the Bible’s parameters for sex.

Additionally, when you view pornography, you are not loving the people in that video the way Christ commands us to love others. Christ laid His life down to save us out of our sin, and we are to follow Him in that kind of self-denying, Great Commission love for others that calls them out of sin regardless of the cost to us. Christ would never have watched someone committing sexual sin for the gratification of His own flesh. It’s unthinkable that we who bear His name could do such a thing and see nothing wrong with it.

No, you should absolutely NOT submit to your husband’s sinful request to view pornography. (If you are concerned he may become violent over your refusal, get somewhere safe.) There is a hierarchy of submission, and in that hierarchy, God and His word always come first. We obey Him before anyone else. As Peter and the apostles said, “We must obey God rather than men.” If you’ll notice in the 1 Corinthians 5:11 passage above, Paul instructs the church not to have anything to do with someone who claims to be a Christian, yet is guilty of sexual immorality. If God said the church shouldn’t even break bread with someone like that, how could He want you to join your husband in his sexual immorality? You are not sinning by refusing to submit to your husband in this, he is sinning against you by asking you to submit to this.

The best way to handle this situation is outlined in 1 Peter 3:1-2:

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. 

and Matthew 5:16:

In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

Walk uprightly before your husband, graciously submitting to him whenever possible, and living in obedience to Christ. Be a godly witness to him in both word and deed. “How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband?”

In addition to being a godly example to your husband, this is a situation that calls for pastoral counsel if your husband persists in this behavior without repenting. Ideally, the two of you should go in for counseling from your pastor together, but if your husband refuses, you still need to go without him.

Since your husband claims to be a Christian (and I’m assuming if you both claim to be Christians you are active members of a local church), your pastor should also determine whether any formal church discipline should be imposed on your husband, and, if so, what that should entail (resigning leadership positions, meeting weekly with an elder for discipleship and counseling, etc.). This is not a punishment, but a restoration and reconciliation process, because your husband has not merely sinned against you as his wife, but also as his sister in Christ, and, therefore, against the church.

Any husband who pressures his wife to watch pornography with him is not only revealing the sinful lust of his own heart, but is also sinning against his wife by urging her to commit sexual immorality, by dishonoring her, by failing to live with her in an understanding way, by putting her in the excruciating position of having to choose between submitting to and pleasing him and submitting to and pleasing the Lord, by failing to love her sacrificially as Christ loved the church, and by caring more about gratifying his own flesh than encouraging his wife’s holiness.

Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered. 1 Peter 3:7

Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. Ephesians 5:25-28

I would caution any husband who can unrepentantly and unremorsefully sin against his wife in these ways to seriously examine his heart against Scripture to discover whether or not he is, in fact, saved. The Bible is quite clear that habitual, unrepentant sexual immorality is an indication that a person is not saved.

For any husbands who have committed the sin of indulging in pornography or even pressuring your wife to watch it with you, I would encourage you to get alone with God and feel the weight of your sin against Him and against your wife. Think about the cross and how Christ suffered God’s wrath for your sin of sexual perversion.

Feel guilty. Because you are guilty.

And let that weight of guilt drive you to your knees in repentance, knowing that there is no sin so great – even this one – that God will not forgive it. Christ loves you. He wants to make you clean and set you free from slavery to pornography.

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My husband and I have been discussing this question, and he wanted to add the following thoughts, man to man, for husbands.

Scott says:

I am appalled that any man who calls himself a Christian could treat his wife in such a way. This is disgusting behavior that has no place in any man’s life, especially one who claims the name of Christ. This man is pressuring his wife to sin! I call on any husband sinning this way to be a real man, repent, and be the godly husband his wife needs.

Men, we are called to lead our wives toward holiness, so we have to strive toward holiness in our own hearts, words, and actions. If we lead our wives toward sin, we are not leading them, or loving them, the way God wants us to.

Think back to Ananias and Sapphira. Although it’s not the main point of their story, we can still learn from their marital example. We don’t know whose idea it was, originally, to hold back part of the money and lie about it, we just know that they were in agreement about it. If it was Ananias’ idea, he was setting a sinful example and leading his wife to sin (like the husband of the reader who wrote in). If it was Sapphira’s idea, Ananias still had the responsibility to love his wife enough and care enough about her holiness to put his foot down and say, “Absolutely not. We are not going to do this.”

And what about Adam and Eve? If Adam had stepped in and biblically led his wife by saying, “No, we’re not eating that fruit,” and chasing that serpent away with his garden hoe, we wouldn’t be in the mess of sin we’re in today.

God places an enormous responsibility on us as husbands to lead our families to be godly. I fail at this all the time, and I know the other Christian husbands reading this do, too. But God promises to give us the strength and the wisdom we need to lovingly lead our wives and children. And when we fail and turn to Him in repentance, He promises to forgive us.

Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from what is dishonorable, he will be a vessel for honorable use, set apart as holy, useful to the master of the house, ready for every good work. So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart.
2 Timothy 2:21-22

 

Additional Resources:

Is it a sin to watch pornography with my spouse? at Got Questions

Hey, Porn Addict, Stop It by Pastor Gabe Hughes

When We Understand the Text podcast episode 315 Q&A on repenting for pornography (beginning at 23:13) by Pastor Gabe Hughes

Slaying the Lust Dragon by Todd Friel

Finally Free by Todd Friel


If you have a question about: a Bible passage, an aspect of theology, a current issue in Christianity, or how to biblically handle a family, life, or church situation, comment below (I’ll hold all questions in queue {unpublished} for a future edition of The Mailbag) or send me an e-mail or private message. If your question is chosen for publication, your anonymity will be protected.

Speaking Engagements

Report Back: Killeen Bible Church Ladies’ Retreat

It was such a blessing to share with the lovely ladies of Killeen, Texas, at Killeen Bible Church’s ladies’ retreat.

Thursday, my husband, Scott, and I hit the road for Belton, Texas (near Killeen)…

We see a Buc-ee’s, we stop.🦫 It was very sunny and very windy that day!

…where we stayed with our wonderful host and hostess for the weekend, Edward and Debbie. We finished up the day with an authentic Italian dinner made by our authentic Italian hosts. We greatly enjoyed our fellowship with them and their daughter and son-in-law, who is also the pastor of KBC.

Our host home came complete with an adorable baby for me to smooch on!

Friday morning, while Edward escorted Scott to the windshield repair place (after our unwelcome encounter with a rock on the trip over – thank you Edward!), Debbie, and conference coordinators, Liz and Ashley, took me out for a mouth watering brunch at the Water Street Waffle Co. (Highly recommend!)

The ladies’ room was decked out in a “girl power” motif, and I was intrigued by these two prints. I’m definitely going places, like, all. the. time. And I love it! Today, the USA. Tomorrow – maybe – the world? I wish I had this one to hang in my office. But the “self love” print haunted me. Self love is selfish (that’s why Jesus told us to love our neighbors as ourselves – because we already love ourselves too much), and all it does is beautify a corpse, dead in her sins.
Son of man, can these bones live?

When we finished our waffles and other goodies, the ladies showed me around the Belton town square for some shopping and a light stroll.

After a few hours of rest, it was time for the opening session of the retreat.

This was sort of a hybrid retreat/conference, which I thought was a really nifty way of combining intimate, church family fellowship with the option of opening the event up to sisters outside this local body of Believers.

Friday evening, Leslie opened her beautiful home and warmly welcomed the women of KBC to the festivities.

The evening started with a fun ice breaker game. Killeen is a military town with many of KBC’s members stationed at nearby Ft. Hood. Turnover can be high in churches like this, so it’s important to make friends fast.

Next was a super supper, catered by Chipotle.

Candace started our assembly time by giving her amazing testimony of how Christ saved her out of a difficult life of sin. (Providentially, she was born again on my birthday several years ago.)

I followed up with our main teaching session for the evening, Managing Media – being wise and discerning with news, social media, movies and TV, and other media we consume. (It was a great selection for the “members only” portion of this hybrid style event, as it was discrete from, and not foundational to our Saturday teaching sessions.)

At the end of the evening I was sent off with a bountiful hostess bag. Many of the ladies of KBC contributed their time, talents, and donations, and several of these items were included in the attendees’ “swag bags” as well.

These gifts were so lovely! Big thank you’s to everyone who contributed! A few special notes: + Philippians 4:8 was something of a theme verse for the weekend, and is included on the pouch of tea bags and the wooden key chain (crafted by Shauna – check out her Etsy shop, The King & I Crafts). + That little baggie of green leaves is not green tea, like you’re thinking (or should be thinking, anyway😉). It’s basil, no doubt from one of the ladies’ own herb gardens. + The (PURIFIED) water bottle has John 7:37-38 handwritten on the tag. + I used to crochet a lot, so I know just how much work (and how tiny of a hook) it took to make the crocheted bookmarks for all 30 bags. Kudos, sister. I would be arthritic and blind after all that. + The small leather bracelet has a condensed version of Philippians 4:6 on it, which is part of a passage I recently memorized. + The cute pumpkin earrings were designed by the aforementioned Candace (get yours at her website: Georgia Clay Earring Co.)

Saturday morning, a warm atmosphere and a delectable buffet breakfast greeted the ladies as they arrived.

As we moved into our teaching time, Debbie shared her sweet testimony with us.

Our first session was Hooked on a Feeling: Living by God’s Word Instead of Our Emotions. Scripture is our authority as Christians, and we shouldn’t let our feelings lead us around by the nose.

Following a brief break, our second session was Servanthood vs. Celebrity. We should strive to have the heart of a servant, rather than crave the spotlight and the applause of man.

Hungry babies don’t aways let Mom stay for the whole session.
So grateful for this set-up so our nursing moms didn’t have to miss a moment!

Next on the agenda was – what else? – some fabulous Texas barbecue for lunch!

After a brief time of prayer and Q&A

…it was time to say goodbye and get on the road so we could be back home in time to worship with our own church family on Sunday.

It was Texas, so it was a bi-Bucc-ee’s trip.

And I’m glad we stopped, because I found the perfect t-shirt to cap off a terrific weekend!

As we eased on down the road, I saw a sign for Brenham, Texas. I’m sure it’s a fine place to live for a number of reasons, but it only means one thing to me: “the little creamery in Brenham,” Blue Bell ice cream! Sadly, we discovered it is closed on Saturdays, but we were able to get a few pictures around the property. Maybe next time!

Props to my husband for (almost) always being willing to indulge my inner five year old’s cry: “Let’s stop there!” because I think my spontaneity got us off track with the map app, and we took an unplanned side trip through downtown Houston on the way home. (No, I did not have time to stop by Lakewood or Living Proof and leave a tract for Joel Osteen or have a come to Jesus meeting with Beth Moore.)

It was such a wonderful weekend with the ladies and elders of Killeen Bible Church. Thanks so much to Debbie, Edward, Daniel, Danielle, Liz, and Ashley for the precious fellowship and hospitality. Thanks also to all the men and women of KBC who worked so hard to host a fantastic retreat/conference, and made me feel so welcome. If you’re ever in the area and need a good church to visit, make plans to spend the Lord’s Day with these wonderful brothers and sisters.


If your church or organization is ever in need of a speaker for a women’s event, I’d love to come share with your ladies as well. Click here for more information, or to find an upcoming event near you!


Photo Credits

Many thanks to Debbie, Liz, Ashley, Shauna, and other conference attendees who took or shared many of the photos above. You may assume that if I’m in the picture or if it’s a good quality photo that I didn’t take it. The remaining photos were shot by me.

Evangelism

Share the Gospel Like a Twelve Year Old

Originally published April 3, 2018

A couple of years ago, my 7th and 8th grade sons had to take the standardized state tests for their grade levels. Because I home school them, I took them to the testing facility where they were grouped with other home schoolers their age.

My 7th grade son, Jacob, came home the first day and mentioned that a couple of the kids had picked on him a little, especially a girl his age who made fun of him. She also told him she was an atheist. She continued to tease him for the next two days.

In the car on the way to their last day of testing, Jacob was sitting in the back seat and saw my supply of tracts sticking out of my purse. He asked me if he could have a couple of them. I was so proud. I thought maybe he would leave one in the restroom or on a bench as he’s seen me do before. I told him he was welcome to them.

When I returned to pick them up that afternoon, Jacob told me what he had done with the tracts. He put one at the work station of the atheist girl who had been teasing him. When she found it, she tore it up in Jacob’s face. So he gave her the second one. She tore that one up too and told him that if he ever gave her anything else about Jesus she would “kill him.”

Ladies, I share this story with you, not to brag on my son, but to encourage you. If a twelve year old child can share the gospel with someone so hostile, you can do it too! Share Christ with your friends and family, your neighbors, people you run into at the store. Get yourself some tracts and hand them to cashiers, wait staff, clerks, anyone you come in contact with. Or at least leave them behind when you go somewhere- the library, restaurants, the doctor’s office, etc.

We have a commission from our King to take the gospel to a lost and dying world. Let’s get out there and do it! Here are some resources that can help:

Bezeugen Tract Club– Get a free supply of tracts every month, and follow Bezeugen’s social media pages for fun “tracting” challenges.

Living Waters– Ray Comfort’s phenomenal witnessing ministry offers courses in biblical evangelism, eye-catching tracts, witnessing and apologetics videos, and more!

Wretched– Listen in to Witness Wednesday every week as Todd Friel goes out and about to share the gospel, and participate in evangelistic book distributions as they’re announced.