Church, Complementarianism, Worship

Six Questions for a Potential Church

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Have you ever had to look for a new church? Even with recommendations from godly friends, it can be hard to know which churches and pastors are doctrinally sound, and, of those doctrinally sound churches (because you certainly don’t want to go to one that isn’t doctrinally sound), which ones would be a good fit for your family.

There are lots of great articles out there with good, probing questions you should ask about the theology and doctrine of a church you’re considering. (I would recommend this one, this one, and this one. Also, make sure you understand these doctrinal issues and that the church you’re considering lines up with Scripture on these issues.) However, there are times when the answers to these types of questions don’t give you the whole picture of what is actually going on in a church on a day to day basis. In other words, sorry to say, a church can give you all the right answers on paper (or on their web site), but their practices don’t mirror those answers. Additionally, there are some non-doctrinal issues that are important to know about that questions about soteriology, baptism, biblical inerrancy, etc., won’t give you the answers to.

My husband and I are currently looking for a new church for our family. Since we are Southern Baptist and somewhat familiar with the handful of Southern Baptist churches we’re looking at, we already know the answers to the most important questions (the inspiration of Scripture, the divinity of Christ, the way of salvation, etc.) But I want to zoom in a little more on the finer points of belief and practices of these churches, so here are some questions I might ask the pastor of the church we would potentially join.

1.
Which Christian authors have had the biggest impact on
your life, beliefs, and ministry?

When I ask this question (and look over the pastor’s shoulder at the titles on his bookshelf), I’m listening for the names of authors and pastors, living or dead, that I know are committed to sound biblical doctrine. If I hear a name like Joyce Meyer, TD Jakes, Andy Stanley, Steven Furtick, Perry Noble, Rick Warren, Beth Moore, or any Word of Faith or New Apostolic Reformation personality, I’m going back to ask more probing doctrinal questions. If I hear multiple names like those, I’m outta there.

2.
Are you/this church complementarian or egalitarian?

Now you may not be familiar with those terms but any Christian pastor should be. It is a current issue in evangelicalism, and it’s part of his job to stay abreast of such things. I’m not looking for a pastor to be an expert on this topic, but he should be familiar with the terms and have a working understanding of the issues at play as well as the applicable Scriptures, and he should embrace and practice complementarianism as the biblical position.

Because I have been given the right “on paper” answer to this question in the past only to find out later that the church’s practices didn’t match up with its profession, I will probably ask the follow up question: “In what positions of leadership are women currently serving? Do any of them hold authority over men or instruct men in the Scriptures?” If I hear that women are (or would be allowed to in the future) teaching co-ed adult Sunday School classes, giving instruction during the worship service, serving on committees in which they hold biblically inappropriate authority over men, etc., that’s problematic.

3.
Can you give me some examples, from any time during your career as a pastor, of church discipline issues that have arisen and how you have handled them?

I’m looking for three things here. First, what does this pastor think constitutes a church discipline issue? If he thinks it’s necessary to discipline a female church member for wearing pants instead of a skirt, that’s an issue, because he’s disciplining someone who’s not sinning. If he doesn’t think it’s necessary to discipline church members who are unmarried yet cohabiting, that’s an issue because he’s not disciplining people who are sinning. Church discipline should only be exercised over unrepentant sinful behavior.

Second, is he afraid to exercise church discipline? Generally speaking, someone who has been a pastor for many years and has never handled a church discipline issue is either woefully ignorant of the biblical requirement of a pastor to rebuke those in sin, or he is afraid to rock the boat because he might get fired. Both of these are huge red flags.

Third, how does he exercise church discipline? Does he follow the steps outlined in Matthew 18 and other Scriptures with a heart to see the church member repent and be reconciled to Christ and the church body? Is he harsh and condemning? Is he firm enough in his resolve to carry all the way through to disfellowshipping a church member if necessary?

4.
How much oversight do you (or an associate pastor or elder)
have over the women’s ministry at this church?

With this question, I’m trying to find out how much the pastor knows about what’s actually going on inside the women’s ministry (if they have one) and how much responsibility he takes to make sure all teaching and activities are in line with Scripture. Does he research and approve all teaching materials before a women’s Bible study commences? Does a women’s ministry director have complete autonomy over all materials and activities? Are all of the women in leadership positions in the women’s ministry godly and spiritually mature? Would any of the women’s ministry leadership raise a stink if someone showed them from Scripture that a Bible teacher whose materials they use or a women’s ministry activity they enjoy is unbiblical?

5.
Does the music ministry at this church follow a
minister of music model or a concert model?

There’s nothing wrong with Christian concerts per se, but my husband and I feel strongly (notice, I did not say “the Bible says”) that the worship service is not the place for one. We believe that a minister of music, preferably one who is ordained to the ministry, should lead and take responsibility for the church’s worship in a pastoral role. He should be trained in the Scriptures, preferably at seminary, in order to rightly handle and apply them to the music portion of the worship service and other music programs. He should also be trained in music theory and conducting so that he is able to lead in the practical aspects of music.

By contrast, we do not believe that making the music portion of the service like a concert, in which a band gets up and plays in a dark room with a laser light show and a smoke machine and the congregation can sing along if they want to, if they happen to know the songs, and if they are able to follow the ad libbing of the lead singer, is conducive to worship. We believe this tends to make the worship band into entertainers and the congregation into spectators, whereas the minister of music model fosters an atmosphere of “we’re all pulling together to do the work of worship as a unified body.”

This is not about contemporary music versus hymns, it is about one worship model versus another. It is our conviction (again, not a biblical mandate, but our strongly held conviction) after more than two decades in music ministry ourselves, that the minister of music model – regardless of the genre of worship music used – is the one most conducive to strong, biblical congregational worship. So this is something we’re going to want to know about, even though it is not necessarily a doctrinal issue.

6.
Do you preach topically or expositorily or both?

Topical preaching is when the pastor selects a topic to preach on (parenting, money, etc.) and uses biblical passages that apply to that topic to form his sermon. Pastors who preach expositorily usually preach through a book of the Bible from beginning to end before moving on to the next book.

Both are valid forms of preaching as long as God’s word is rightly handled and applied. However, it has been my experience that pastors who preach exclusively topically have more of a tendency to lift Bible verses out of their context in order to make them fit the topic they’re preaching. This is usually not as much of an issue for pastors who preach expositorily because they are simply preaching the Word, verse by verse, in its context.

Additionally, expository preaching gives church members a better understanding of Scripture and how it fits together, and exposes them more thoroughly to a wider range of biblical truth than exclusively topical preaching does. Therefore, I am looking for a pastor whose preaching style leans mostly towards expository, but who isn’t afraid to preach topically if he believes the church needs instruction on a certain topic.

So, those are some of the questions I’m thinking about asking. What questions would you ask when considering a new church?


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Guest Posts, Sanctification

The Redemption of Boredom ~ at Borrowed Light

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Have you ever noticed how many boring moments there are in life?…And if God can redeem our boring moments for His purposes, maybe we could start looking for ways to redeem them for His glory as well.

Pastor and blogger, Mike Leake, was kind enough to publish a guest post I wrote for today on his blog, Borrowed Light. Head on over and check outย The Redemption of Boredom.

How can you capture those boring moments in life
and harness them for the furthering of God’s Kingdom?

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Who’s Up for a Blog Swap?

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Hey, blogger-type people- if you’ve been around for a while, you’ll recall that I had a feature last fall called “Blog Swap.” I’m ready to get back in the saddle with it, so I’m on the hunt for bloggers who are interested in swapping guest posts.

I’m especially interested in content that’s a little different from my normal fare such as recipes, crafts, DIY, home schooling, singles, book/movie reviews, menโ€™s interest, photo blogging, nutrition, exercise, etc., but content that’s similar to mine is welcome as well. Also, I’d love to hear from some of our male bloggers out there. Here are the blog swaps I’ve done so far so you can get an idea of how it works (check the comments section of each post for the link to see how the blogger I swapped with handled the swap on her end).

If you think you might be interested, click hereย to find out more, and drop me an e-mail at MichelleLesley1@yahoo.com.

Looking forward to swapping with you!

Gospel, Homosexuality, Politics, Salvation, Sin, Throwback Thursday

Throwback Thursday ~ SoteriObamaGigliology and You

Originally published January 12, 2013

Disclaimer: This article should not be viewed as an endorsement of Louie Giglioย or any unbiblical theology he currently holds to.
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Is Louie Giglio a living martyr or a coward? What do you think of our shiny new state church here in the U.S.? If you havenโ€™t heard about The Giglio Imbroglio, allow me to bring you up to speed.gty_rev_louie_giglio_jef_130110_wblog

Pastor Louie Giglio was invited to say a prayer at President Obamaโ€™s inauguration ceremony later this month. Being a Christian pastor, it should have been expected that he would have preached at some point on what the Bible says about the sin of homosexuality. Someone with a pro-homosexuality group dug up a sermon ย from decades ago in which he had done just that, and, yada yada yada, Pastor Giglio โ€“ pressured, or not, by the Inaugural Committee (thatโ€™s a little murky at the moment)โ€” decided not to do the prayer. Ok, are ya with me? Good.

Iโ€™ve read a bit about this debacle over the past few daysย (though I have a few disagreements with some points, all of the articles hyperlinked above are excellent) and most of what I’ve read seems to be focused on Louie Giglio. But Louie Giglio isnโ€™t alone on the stage of this little drama.

Thereโ€™s another player. Our President.

Although all the details and communiquรฉs were being handled by the Presidential Inaugural Committee, as President Truman used to say, โ€œThe buck stops here.โ€ Right at the feet of President Obama. Ultimately, he is responsible for the โ€œunvitation.โ€ If he felt that the Committee was out of line in their statements or actions, he could have intervened. Instead, he has been silent, which implies consent.

Our President consented to the press release from the Inaugural Committee which said in part:

“As we now work to select someone to deliver the benediction, we will ensure their beliefs reflect this administration’s vision of inclusion and acceptance for all Americans.”

Translation: Louie Giglioโ€™s Christian beliefs about homosexuality, which come straight from the Bible, do not โ€œreflect this administrationโ€™s vision.โ€

Let me say that again. Christian beliefs about homosexuality, which line up with what the Bible clearly says, are opposed by our President.

Why is that important?

obama-in-church-2004-b654b48e648853dc_largeBecause our President believes he is a Christian.

And so do a lot of other people who share his beliefs on things like homosexuality and abortion.

If that describes you, before you get mad and stop reading, in fairness, hear me say something:

Sanctification (progressively becoming more and more Christlike) is a process. People who get saved, especially as an adult, bring a lot of entrenched opinions and thought processes with them to the cross.

Am I saying you have to become pro-life and anti-homosexuality (notice, I did not say anti-homosexual) before, or in order to, get saved?

No.

Am I saying that five minutes or a week after you get saved, youโ€™ll be pasting โ€œChoose Lifeโ€ and โ€œOne Man, One Womanโ€ bumper stickers on your car?

No.

What I am saying is that a person who has genuinely been born again has a God-created desire to know, trust, and obey Godโ€™s word.

Even if itโ€™s hard.

Even if you donโ€™t like it, initially.

Even if you donโ€™t completely understand it.

The desire, inextricably interwoven with your love and affection for Christ, born in your heart when you were born again, exists.

Therefore if anyone is inย Christ,ย he isย aย new creature; the old things passed away; behold,ย new things have come. II Corinthians 5:17

Do you have that desire?

Do you wrestle with the things in Godโ€™s word that are difficult for you โ€“perhaps things like homosexuality- in order to understand, embrace, and obey them?

Or, do you war against the things you find in the Bible that you donโ€™t like- rebelling against their inherent truth, rejecting them, twisting their meanings to suit your own opinions, and refusing to accept them?

If itโ€™s the latter, you need to be afraid.

Be VERY afraid.

Because the Bible makes it clear that you arenโ€™t saved.

By this we know that we have come toย know Him,ย if we keep His commandments.ย The one who says, โ€œI have come to know Him,โ€ and does not keep His commandments, is aย liar, and the truth is not in him;ย but whoeverย keeps His word, in him theย love of God has truly been perfected.ย By this we know that we are in Him:ย the one who says heย abides in Himย ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.ย I John 2:3-6

Butย aย natural manย does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they areย foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spirituallyย appraised.ย But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one.ย Forย who has known the mind of the Lord, that he will instruct Him? Butย we have the mind of Christ. ย I Corinthians 2:14-16

Youย adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world isย hostility toward God?ย Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. ย James 4:4

Christians desire to keep Godโ€™s word, just like Jesus did. Christians lovingly call sinners to repentance from their sin and to faith in Christ, just like Jesus did. Christians think like Jesus did. Christians reject the worldโ€™s values rather than promoting them, just like Jesus did.bible

My dear friend, if you find yourself constantly battling against Godโ€™s word, I urge you, please examine your affections and the fruit of your life, thoughts, and behavior in the mirror of Godโ€™s word. It doesnโ€™t matter if youโ€™ve repeated a prayer, filled out a card, been baptized, taken communion, faithfully attended church, served as a teacher, deacon, elder, or pastor, had someone assure you of your salvation, or even if you just โ€œfeel savedโ€. If your life and heart donโ€™t match up with what Scripture says is true of a Christian, you are not genuinely born again.

Please, turn away from your sin- all of your sin -and put your faith in Christโ€™s finished work on the cross, and in His bodily resurrection, as payment for that sin. If Cainย taught us anything, itโ€™s this: you canโ€™t come to God on your own terms. You have to approach Him on His terms.

Or, to borrow from a mantra oft repeated by some in the homosexual community:

If youโ€™re going to accept Him, you have to accept everything about Him.

Wednesday's Word

Wednesday’s Word ~ John 14

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John 14

Let not your hearts be troubled.ย Believe in God;ย believe also in me.ย 2ย Inย my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you thatย I go to prepare a place for you?ย 3ย And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take youย to myself, thatย where I am you may be also.ย 4ย And you know the way to where I am going.โ€ย 5ย Thomas said to him, โ€œLord,ย we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?โ€ย 6ย Jesus said to him,ย โ€œI amย the way, andย the truth, andย the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.ย 7ย If you had known me, you would haveย known my Father also.ย From now on you do know him andย have seen him.โ€

8ย Philip said to him, โ€œLord,ย show us the Father, and it is enough for us.โ€ย 9ย Jesus said to him,ย โ€œHave I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip?ย Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, โ€˜Show us the Fatherโ€™?ย 10ย Do you not believe thatย I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to youย I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.ย 11ย Believe me thatย I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or elseย believe on account of the works themselves.

12ย โ€œTruly, truly, I say to you,ย whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because Iย am going to the Father.ย 13ย Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, thatย the Father may be glorified in the Son.ย 14ย If you ask meย anything in my name, I will do it.

15ย โ€œIf you love me, you willย keep my commandments.ย 16ย And I will ask the Father, and he will give you anotherย Helper,ย to be with you forever,ย 17ย evenย the Spirit of truth,ย whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you andย will beย in you.

18ย โ€œI will not leave you as orphans;ย I will come to you.ย 19ย Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, butย you will see me.ย Because I live, you also will live.ย 20ย In that day you will know thatย I am in my Father, andย you in me, andย I in you.ย 21ย Whoever has my commandments andย keeps them, he it is who loves me. Andย he who loves meย will be loved by my Father, and I will love him andย manifest myself to him.โ€ย 22ย Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, โ€œLord, how is itย that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?โ€ย 23ย Jesus answered him,ย โ€œIf anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, andย we will come to him andย make our home with him.ย 24ย Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. Andย the word that you hear is not mine but the Father’s who sent me.

25ย โ€œThese things I have spoken to you while I am still with you.ย 26ย But theย Helper, the Holy Spirit,ย whom the Father will send in my name,ย he will teach you all things andย bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.ย 27ย Peace I leave with you;ย my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you.ย Let not your hearts be troubled, neitherย let them be afraid.ย 28ย You heard me say to you,ย โ€˜I am going away, and I will come to you.โ€™ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because Iย am going to the Father, forย the Father is greater than I.ย 29ย Andย now I have told you before it takes place, so that when it does take place you may believe.ย 30ย I will no longer talk much with you, forย the ruler of this world is coming.ย He has no claim on me,ย 31ย but I doย as the Father has commanded me,ย so that the world may know that I love the Father. Rise, let us go from here.


The Holy Bible, English Standard Version Copyright ยฉ 2001 by Crossway Bibles, a division of Good News Publishers.


Questions to Consider:

1. Who is speaking, and who is being spoken to in this chapter?

2. What does it mean that “no one comes to the Father except through” Jesus? (verse 6) What does this mean for followers of religions which exclude Jesus or do not have a correct, biblical understanding of who Jesus is?

3. Some people say that Jesus was only a man and never claimed to be God. Does this chapter support or refute this idea? Which verses would back up your answer?

4. Does verse 14 mean that God will give you anything you ask for in prayer as long as you say the phrase “in Jesus’ name” when you ask for it? What does it mean to ask for something in Jesus’ name?

5. According to verses 15, 21, 23, and 24, what is the evidence that someone truly loves Christ as she claims to?